State of the NHS (British Socialised Healthcare)

[kazenatsu]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-e-ordeal-nhs

The Left under the previous government overwhelmed the country with immigrants. Now the NHS (taxpayer-funded government-run healthcare system) is overwhelmed and being stretched apart at the seams.

Of course the Left just blames the Right for not giving it lots more money.

But when you add more people, things don't just magically continue along as they did in the past without it costing more money.
See, anything "free", people have a tendency to just take for granted and not think about.

If this gets any worse, the British will have a second-rate healthcare system like a Third World country.

One patient describes how while at a hospital stay, the hospital was ridiculously understaffed and overburdened with patients.

They left this guy in a corridor for hours, because there was no one to attend to him.

He says he got no sleep and no medication for 80 hours, and had to wait until the very end of that before doctors gave him any care.

This type of overcrowding is dangerous and could even lead to the risk of patients dying.

[Neo]

Not enough British nurses being trained, the NHS hire foreign nurses as a quick fix, thus! the cycle is ongoing.
From top to bottom it’s rife with underfunding and the cause of the workload the hospitals are expected to do due to mass immigration. More schools needed, social housing, higher community charge….the list is endless because of the open border Tony Blair signed up for.
Poland and other eastern euro countries sighed the same agreements for mass immigration but they limited the numbers and were not fined for it like the EU said they were going to do.
Just shows how politically weak and the agenda making Labour leadership was.

[Common]

I was left in the hallway of an emergency room for 2 days because they had no beds...

[Neo]

I had to wait 3 months for an operation to remove a broken bone in my left elbow. Bitterness? Fuck yeah!

[UKSmartypants]

This is why we moved to Spain. The WHO rates UK NHS as 17th , spains is 7th. The UK NHS has vast amount of money thrown at it, and it wastes a large amount of it. For a start theres more pen pushers that nursing staff. Plus they insist on treating anyone that turns up, no requirement to show eligibility or contribution. So you have a system now where it will take you two weeks to get a doctors appointment, if you are lucky. If you want an ambulance, dont be supriced if it takes 18 hours to get to you, and dont be surprised if you have to sit on a trolley in a corridor for another 18 hours before you get treated. And expect to wait 2 years for an op. Its an omnishambles, not only because they treat half the fuckign world for free, (people actually fly from Africa and India for free NHS treatment, then fly back home), but its also used by a hard core of Marxists staff as a political weapon to beat the Tories with. At the same time is a Sacred Cow, Thou Shalt Not Criticise The NHS

I figured we woud lprobably end up dying early if left in the hands of the NHS, and thats the Primary reasons we moved to Spain, the 7th best NHS in the world, and 3 of the 20 best hospitals on the planet, one of which I now live near.


The straw that broke the camels back for me was this - one day, im trying single handed to get a half tonne trailer down my sloping drive. I reverse the car up so the trailer is on the start of the downward slope. I unhoock the trailer, get round the end and try guiding it down. Its too heavy, i cant control it and it rolls down the hill, In desparation, to stop it smashing full tilt into the house, i swingit left, and it pins me up against a tree, breaking my right wrist. So now im completely pinned, and trapped and cant move, and cant puch the trailer off me. I manage to phone for an ambulance. They said it wasnt an emergency, and i had to make my own way to hospital, ignore the fact i couldnt move . I phoned the police, they said they wer every busy and might be able to get in about 2 hours. eventually I managed to contact a freind 20 miles away, who got to me in about 20 mins, and untrapped me and took me to A&E.

I concluded at that point, should i ever have a heart attack , i was gonna die. So we moved to Spain


Here, if you phone an ambulance , it turns up in 10 mins tops. I can get a doctors appointment next working day. If I rock up at A&E ill be in and out in 2 hours .And If i want an op, ill get it next month at the latest - and they spend less per head on their NHS. And heres another thing, if you do turn up at a Spanish A&E, you need to show a Spanish Health Card, or a Private Health Insurance Certificate, or a Credit Card, or they show you the door.

I am confident ill live longer in Spain than I would in UK.

[UKSmartypants]

Not enough British nurses being trained, the NHS hire foreign nurses as a quick fix, thus! the cycle is ongoing.
From top to bottom it’s rife with underfunding and the cause of the workload the hospitals are expected to do due to mass immigration. More schools needed, social housing, higher community charge….the list is endless because of the open border Tony Blair signed up for.
Poland and other eastern euro countries sighed the same agreements for mass immigration but they limited the numbers and were not fined for it like the EU said they were going to do.
Just shows how politically weak and the agenda making Labour leadership was.

Its not underfunded, huge amounts of money are thrown at it, vastly more thna in other countries.. The problem is waste. VAST amounts of money are wasted - on useless staff such as 'diversity managers' on more money than the PM, to huge amounts of overtime, to vast numbers of useless penpushers, to trying to treat the entire world for free. The Spanish NHS gets half the money per head the UK NHS gets , and it's orders of magnitude more efficient and better run.

[Old Tex]

Here's in the US medical care or rather the quality of medical care is situational. Some places have excellent medical care while others have very poor medical care. I got kind of lucky where I live. Many years ago they talked about closing our military base here. It accounted for a lot of the income in this area. So the city fathers looked for another industry to try to get to come here. The industry that was chosen was retirement. And with a large retirement age people came the health care industry. We've got something related to medical on almost every corner in our town.

My SIL who lives in MN, well to see anyone medical about anything is a 30 minute drive in the summer & an hour or more in the winter. And even then it's 2nd rate medical care.

[Conservative Libertarian]

I knew a Canadian that had to wait 2 years for carpel tunnel surgery. While waiting, she couldn't work.

Socialist medicine is great.

[Neo]

Its not underfunded, huge amounts of money are thrown at it, vastly more thna in other countries.. The problem is waste. VAST amounts of money are wasted - on useless staff such as 'diversity managers' on more money than the PM, to huge amounts of overtime, to vast numbers of useless penpushers, to trying to treat the entire world for free. The Spanish NHS gets half the money per head the UK NHS gets , and it's orders of magnitude more efficient and better run.

It’s underfunded……vast amounts of medical tourists come to the U.K. to get treated. They do not repay for the treatment they receive.
Underfunding is meant by merely our nurses get a pittance, overseas nurses are recruited to a fortune over here to what their own country pays.
underfunding…..millions of illegal immigrants the true number unknown…..yet the NHS treat them all.

Hospital waiting lists for operations…beds in wards….because of immigration….the NHS is swamped underfunded because the of the governments refusal to stop even now the trickle across the channel.

[dinosaur]

I don't have too much knowledge/experience with NHS. While Mrs dinosaur was in the UK, she fell and broke her wrist. NHS set her up with a cast and sent her home. It was pretty flimsy as casts go, but I guess a plastic sleeve is what you get nowadays. Anyhow, it worked, and I never saw a bill. On the flip side, when our UK friends visited us in Monterrey Mexico, and one of them tripped and fell and pushed a steel rebar thru their leg, NHS didn't help, so it was a good thing dinosaur had adequate available credit on the card to get proper care at a real university run hospital, rather than what Mexico has for socialized medicine.

Slightly off topic ... one of my Mexican employees had a father who had a heart attack. The extent of his care in the Mexican socialized medicine was an EKG to confirm he had a heart attack, blood thinners, and sent home with instructions to get his affairs in order, as he only had about 6 months. Pretty good predictors, however, in six months he was dead.