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    Wagner Leader says Russia has already failed in Ukraine.

    It's not a good look when the only "General" in your military that has made any meaningful gains in the last 9 months is publicly saying Putin's illegal invasion is a failure.


    https://www.currenttime.tv/a/gibel-v.../32425597.html

    Prigozhin also said that the Kremlin, instead of the goal of demilitarizing Ukraine declared in February 2022, achieved the opposite effect, and the Ukrainian army became one of the strongest in the world. "They have a high level of organization, a high level of training, a high level of intelligence, they have different weapons, and moreover, they work on any systems - Soviet, NATO, whatever - equally successful," he said, adding that the illiterate actions of Russia played a role in strengthening the combat potential of Ukraine.


    This occurred in an interview between Prigozhin and Konstantin Dolgov from the Kremlin controlled media outlet, Telega ONLINE. Immediately after this interview was broadcast, Dolgov got fired and the video was taken down. However, some excerpts still exist online like this clip where
    Prigozhin places the blame solely on Putin and Russian oligarchs for all this mess.




    There are also clips where Prigozhin explains that Putin's "special military operation" that was supposed to demilitarise Ukraine did the exact opposite and the Ukrainian military is now one of the strongest in the world.

    If at the start of the special operation they had 500 tanks, hypothetically speaking, now they have 5,000 tanks. If 20,000 men were able to fight before, now its 400,000. How have we demilitarised it? Turns out we did the exact opposite. Fuck knows how, but weve militarized Ukraine. I think that today Ukraine has one of the strongest armies.


    Gee, if you stop automatically buying into Russian propaganda and actually listen to the Russians doing the fighting, Russia might be in some trouble in this unprovoked invasion.

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    Vietnam

    Afghanistan

    Afghanistan again

    Ukraine

    Sooner or later, you would think the world's superpowers would learn a thing or two. Apparently, nope. I'm getting the feeling that the goal is not in winning, but in continuing the fight. "Endless wars" Who is benefitting from endless wars? They don't care, win or lose, because they are getting richer each and every day. Too bad for all the grieving mothers.

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    The Russians are in serious trouble in Ukraine and Prigozhin is right. It's a mess.
    Yet Prigozhin doesn't advise a soft withdrawal to avoid further disasters for the Russian Army. To the contrary he urges Putin to impose martial law and put the entire economy at the service of the war in Ukraine. It goes without saying that if they do that, Russia will collapse economically. I mean collpasing even furhter, the way of North Korea in the 90's.
    Prigozhin also said that Stalin wouldn't have tolerate such failures. He would replace Gerasimov by Gen. "Armagedon" Surovikin, the worse war criminal in recent history.
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    Turns out nothing is ever deleted on the internet, the full interview is found in parts.









    I know the usual Putin apologists are just going to try and handwave this away, but this is not a good look. Ukraine is rapidly becoming Putin's Afghanistan.

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