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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    and you're the third naysayer on here flashing the word 'alive' and not one of you can give us a definition of 'alive'. That makes all your posts invalid....
    Your mind is invalid. The word "alive" doesn't appear once in my post that you quoted. Go back to your bathroom speed reading and poop out another non sequitur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    we dont know, because we dont know how far it will go once an AI is self aware and sentient which WILL occur at sometime, heralding the Technological Singularity.

    But there is most definitely no limit to how far AI can go, because there is potentially almost no limit to quantum .
    For an GAI to be classified as ‘sentient’, it must first fulfil two requirements: first, the rule set must be capable of being self-aware, and secondly, the rule set must be able to be classified as ‘conscious’. As of right now, humanity has already created several rule sets capable of rudimentary self-awareness, many of which are capable of analysing and adapting to their surroundings without prompts from code. However, although humanity is capable of creating robots that can mimic a human’s consciousness and understanding of themselves/the outside world, we are havent yet been capable of this without using data from the internet, or by simply learning and understanding consciousness by themselves. But make no mistake, it will occur within the next couple of decades

    When i was at Uni back the 1980's,m it was predicted that the Technological Singularity would occur no earlier than 2045 and no later than 2075. In the intervening 40 odd years huge advances have been made, and are still being made , including quantum computing, so i think you can drop that to possible 2035 or even 2030.
    At this point Technological Singularity is "a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and...." (They may create their own technology.)

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    Hypothetical: "Involving or being based on a suggested idea or theory:...."

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    Technological Singularity is always in the future, like global warming, or climate change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    It's just code. Self-modifying, probabilistic, whatever. With a slow-down factor in the millions (billions?), I can execute the code with a printout of the code, pads of paper, pencils and a dice cup. Where's the beef?
    So is DNA. Nothing but code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    and you're the third naysayer on here flashing the word 'alive' and not one of you can give us a definition of 'alive'. That makes all your posts invalid....
    Furthermore.... if you weren't so full of yourself, you would have noticed that my position was stated here almost identically as you have stated yours..... an AI based entity will likely have all the functionality of a person , including growing, reproduction, self maintenance, awareness, etc. I said so multiple times.

    What we call it is almost moot but the word "life" has ethical, political, sociological implications that I don't think should be used to describe this future beast we are discussing. The difference in opinion in what to call it is hardly justification for your nonsensical "invalid" accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fall River View Post
    At this point Technological Singularity is "a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and...." (They may create their own technology.)

    AI singularity definition - Google Search



    Hypothetical: "Involving or being based on a suggested idea or theory:...."

    hypothetical meaning - Google Search


    Technological Singularity is always in the future, like global warming, or climate change.

    But Moores law is a fact. And thats what its driven by. I posted graphs earlier in the thread showing how progress is going logarithmic. Reality has followed Moores law to the last decimal point for the last 100 years, and theres no reason to believe it wont continue to do so, and bring the Technological Singularity as predicted by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    Furthermore.... if you weren't so full of yourself, you would have noticed that my position was stated here almost identically as you have stated yours..... an AI based entity will likely have all the functionality of a person , including growing, reproduction, self maintenance, awareness, etc. I said so multiple times.

    What we call it is almost moot but the word "life" has ethical, political, sociological implications that I don't think should be used to describe this future beast we are discussing. The difference in opinion in what to call it is hardly justification for your nonsensical "invalid" accusation.

    if it looks like a fish and it smells like a fish.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fall River View Post
    At this point Technological Singularity is "a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and...." (They may create their own technology.)

    AI singularity definition - Google Search



    Hypothetical: "Involving or being based on a suggested idea or theory:...."

    hypothetical meaning - Google Search


    Technological Singularity is always in the future, like global warming, or climate change.

    all science is hypothetic until it is proven, whats your point. Lighter than air flight was hypothetical in 1880.
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    The question is:

    Is our essence as a human being wholly contained in the billions of neurons in our skull or are we united with an incorporeal soul?

    Depending on your opinion, AI either is just a computer program or it has the capability of life. Yes, opinion, there is no proof one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    The question is:

    Is our essence as a human being wholly contained in the billions of neurons in our skull or are we united with an incorporeal soul?

    Depending on your opinion, AI either is just a computer program or it has the capability of life. Yes, opinion, there is no proof one way or the other.

    absolutely. There isnt even a definitive definition of "life" or "alive".
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    The question is:

    Is our essence as a human being wholly contained in the billions of neurons in our skull or are we united with an incorporeal soul?

    Depending on your opinion, AI either is just a computer program or it has the capability of life. Yes, opinion, there is no proof one way or the other.
    We've skipped the "soul" issue. It hasn't been part if the discussion.
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