Police Homicides & Shootings

[Gator Monroe]

I still would like to see the track record / Stats of this Special Unit ( Scorpions ) , perhaps they were really working and putting a dent in the Crime and the SJW tainted higher ups and the Lady Chief got spooked ?

[Karl]

Aided and abetted by the Democratic Party.

TRUE CRT needs to be taught. As it is, now...it's simply a 'white wash' (pun intended) of Democrat culpability in slavery and continued enslavement by plantation politics.

Does CRT teach that the first slave in North America...was bought and owned by a black man? That tribes in Equatorial West Africa supplied the slaves? That the Democratic Party inaugurated the KKK? That all those 'racist statues' removed from seemingly everywhere...were all Democrats? The internecine, black-on-black violence is centuries old. On and on it goes.

Nah this country is bought, sold, & traded back and forth by Washington every few elections seasons of so that's way it always was too..

I'm talking about ya didn't every week I mean when I was a Kid a police/shootout that "Front-Page" and headline the 9 o'clock news Big City TV station..

Nowadays this aint Chicago or Milwaukee anymore either..

This is happening all over the freaking place in in small towns..

The People & the Society has "Changed"

[Crusader]

After a 30 year career I can tell you right off the bat, most people’s perception of policing and law enforcement is right out of TV and the movies.

They have no idea how hard it is to subdue a determined often high and or crazy person, it’s much easier and safer to just kick the crap out of them. And you really really want to, you do everything in your power to make a peaceful arrest. But no this guy is going to fight, no way around it. But I know and worse he knows, there is a set of rules I must follow in this fight, not him though. It’s often damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in front of a use of force panel. I owe a lot of my grey hair to that alone, it’s a fine line that LE often ride when it comes to use of force. Too much and you run afoul of policy and can get in serious trouble, to little and you lose and that’s not an option. You can guess which side I always erred on.

Like previously stated most LE doesn’t want to go down that road, but it happens I have personally seen things go too far. Maybe even had it happen with me on occasions, you rely on your partners to pull you back. We are human and I don’t care who you are what level of education you have, how much combat experience you got. During a fight anybody can snap and go too far, if you think it can’t happen to you…you’ve never really been in a fight.

Number one issue show me your hands, why is he hiding his hand under his body, why won’t he give me his hand…only one reason because he has a weapon. That is what always leads to these type of events and what I would think every time.

Number two issue, people think less lethal is more effective than it actually is. I’ve used OC pepper spray, tasers, batons both PR-24 and expandable, rubber and wood riot control rounds as well as gas. I would rate them all at about 50% effective and it always depends on the situation and conditions. Often they can just complicate the matter…most effective the baton, but even with that your area of legal strikes are small. Less lethal works mostly with the guy that doesn’t really want to fight, the guy looking to save face but doesn’t really want to get his ass beat. The guy that doesn’t care, you might as well just toss all that stuff aside and pull your gun.

[patrickt]

A few years back we went through all this hand-wringing with...what's his name...Brown, I believe.

IMO...cops need a Bachelorette in Policing. Hire on the top of their class...let the rest be crossing guards, mall cops or private security. Four years. Begin with The Constitution. Martial arts. Philosophy. Why is there crime? Arrest procedures. Car chases. Foot chases. Gun training...on and on. Along the way, four years is ample time to weed out the nutters like Francis:

The issue isn't weeding out nutters. It's taking normal people and turning them into nutters. Your college plan would do it better. I found the hardest people to turn into good cops were college graduates who had never actually done anything and came from a home with a single mother.


Give me a veteran from the military or a guy who spent three years doing work where you sweat any day and had a normal, albeit bizarre, family life.


But, if you hire a decent, honest, ethical, kind, brave, intelligent person and put them in a corrupt environment they either quit or the good characteristics go away.


People in banking and major corporations and big pharmaceutical companies and politics have advanced degrees and how are they doing, overall, for honesty and decency?


I learned about the Constitution in the 7th grade but that was a snap. Learning to respect it was the tough part but we did it.


I used to give talks to foreign students on why the U.S. had local police instead of national police. I explained we didn't trust national police and local communities deserve to have what they want. A city fifty miles from us was the polar opposite. While our community valued "Mind your own business," the other community valued, "Do as you're told." Now, the whole country is, "Do as your told."

[Nox]

After a 30 year career

Nuf said ... but sadly ... too many will not believe you

[Gator Monroe]

I still would like to see the track record / Stats of this Special Unit ( Scorpions ) , perhaps they were really working and putting a dent in the Crime and the SJW tainted higher ups and the Lady Chief got spooked ?

Two more Scorpion unit Police officers fired . ( Drumbeat to disband unit grows louder )

[WarriorRob]

I think it might have to do with Black Culture of making childless kids and condoning violence in their Rap music and of course Gang Glamorization

I meant Fatherless kids not Childless kids.