Biden sending Abrams tanks to Ukraine

[Quark]

So we're sending in our main battle tank to Ukraine?

And when one falls into the hands of the Russians, then what?

No way.

Not a problem these are old M1s. This is to clear the decks for the new advanced M-1A2C. BTW: the M1 and the Russian T-90 are fairly matched. Each has their good points and bad points.

[OldSchool]

Ya humans need to be taken out and hopefully the new species will do a better job than this species had done.

You having a bad day?

Never mind .... I can relate.

[Quark]

Recall in the past when America was whipping North Vietnam, you had people claiming it was North Vietnam winning?

Anna has not spoken of tanks yet.
She is mourning the recent death of her mother and she has no family left in her area.

We never whipped North Vietnam or Viet Cong guerillas. We left because we could not win.

[Quark]

By your standards, isn't the USA already in WW3 given our massive numbers of allies also are helping Ukraine?

What massive number of allies? There are none. If it wasn't for the US the war would be over by now.

[Quark]

One nuclear tip hyper sonic missile hitting a US port, will signify the the complete destruction of Russia within the hour.

Not likely. But it will signal the end of the USA, Canada, and Mexico.

[EGarak]

@EGarakInteresting that you are "pretty certain" about Russia's capabilities. Just like you were so certain that Putin invaded Russia over Nazi's and it had nothing to do with NATO. Remember?

I do, and he did (I'm assuming when you said invaded Russia you meant Ukraine).



Where I was mistaken was that he kept changing his rationale for invading Ukraine. As you pointed out, Putin changes his story depending on his audience. You don't send T-62s into conflict if you have spare T-80s/90s lying around. And you don't send the head of the 5th service into Lefortovo Prison if things are going well on the intelligence front.

So, yeah. I'm sticking by my prediction that a sizable portion of Russia's nuclear capability as been sold off to other parties over the years. Pretty much everything else has been sold off so why not?

[Quark]

If Russia loses Crimea, Russia would be destroyed too..... albeit more slowly. But they will go down fighting.

And Russia is not going to stand by why Ukrainian thugs execute ethnic Russians in the East of Ukraine. That would be a betrayal that would not be forgotten.

Russia is not going to lose. Russia will take the world with it and quite frankly I hope so. There is no intelligent life form down here.

[Quark]

IMHO....and no I am not as military astute as others here......Russia has the means to win and end this war quickly and decisively. They are being hesitant in using their most formidable weapons. Hesitant in luring The West into escalating the conflict.

A long-extended conflict........... is not in Russia's interest.

But an eventual quick and devastating blow.........yes a definite possibility.

Seems to me they been reluctant to go that far..... but I think if The West continues poking the bear.....and threatening The Bear..... given the disfunction and weakness within The Biden regime....at some point using these game changing weapons may appear to them more logical.

And what will The West do then? Are we willing to match their escalation? I dont think so as it took Biden and Germany a long time to come around just approving the tanks.

And please don't associate my opinion as being supportive of Russia. Best case scenario is they are drawn into a stalemate and retreat.....or Putin loses power in Russia. But dont misunderstand the harsh winter months with the coming spring and summer offensive push.


The current state of the conflict is draining their arsenal......as it is ours. We are taking weapons and ammo from Korea and Israel to give to Ukraine.......all the while the 800Ib gorilla......China continues to build. Read yesterday it will take years to replenish what we lost in Afghanistan during Bidens disastrous exit and now what Biden is giving Ukraine. I don't think we can look at the Ukraine situation in a vacuum


Anybody else see a plausible one - two punch coming?

The US will be crushed and destroyed in this war. The US is toast.

[Quark]

You think it would go down as simple as that?

No. When the smoke clears the US will be gone and Russia while limping along will still be here.

[Quark]

Nope. Russia would use a nuke in Ukraine first. Our congress would never agree to use a nuke against Russia unless we are facing attack.

If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, Russian hypersonic missile ships in the Atlantic will launch at the same time.