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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    Ive only promoted Russia in its determination to stop the indoctrination of their children into the religion of the LWO, the perversions we know as LBGTQ. In contrast, Ukraine has embraced and welcomed such indoctrination of their children. It's an EU requirement. Well balanced, the Russian laws do not criminalize the perversions... only the normalization and indoctrination of others.
    Like i said, nothing can stop you from promoting Russia and you agree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    From Pulp Fiction:

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    I don't care if he is an establishment RINO, Kevin McCarthy is sitting on a hand grenade and Lauren Boebert is looking for a reason to pull the pin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I believe that Ukraine Armor troops are already trained to fight using our M1Tanks. For reasons you being up in fact.
    No, they are not trained in M1s. There are a variety of issues with sending M1's to Ukraine.

    M1 Abrams Tanks Are Coming to Ukraine: Too Hard to Use? (msn.com)
    (7) Training Ukrainians on M1 Abrams tanks could begin in "weeks, not months," White House says (cnn.com)


    Basically, the M1 is heavier, faster, more technical, larger than the tanks Ukraine has been using and are trained on. The training problem ranges from teaching crews to operate the tanks all the way up to teaching generals the tactics and strategy of using these tanks. And as all the articles state the logistics of using these tanks is a problem, Ukraine does not have and never had the infrastructure to maintain and operate such technical systems.

    And much of the trained Ukrainian tank crews were lost in the early part of the war when the Ukrainian armour was destroyed in battle, and then the replacements that manned all the Soviet era armour provided by Poland were lost when those tanks were destroyed in battle. Now the Ukrainians that will man these M1's are raw recruits with no experience or real training, and they will be rushed through in 30 days (says one of the generals).

    And....some people think the Abrams is some sort of invincible wonder weapon thats going to mow down Russians. Its going to be interesting to see what happens. The Abrams has done well against lightly armed insurgents and IEDs and a demoralized 2nd tier force (Iraq), but its never been used against a peer adversary. Russia and China have had 30 years to develop anti-tank weapons and tactics against the M1 and Leopard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Like i said, nothing can stop you from promoting Russia and you agree with me.
    Better than the sodomites that you promote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by What'sThat? View Post
    Now Ukraine wants F-16s and claims they will get them

    This is Insanity


    We will get F-16sí: Ukraine aims for NATOís fighter jets after winning battle for Western tanks




    Ukraine aims for F-16 fighter jets after winning battle for tanks (cnbc.com)
    I wonder how long we can keep sending US and NATO forces to Ukraine before we run out human forces. You know there isn't a Ukrainian that can fly those F-16s and drive and use those M-1s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by What'sThat? View Post
    FYI Russia just launched a hypersonic missile from a ship in the Atlantic.


    I will not argue on Russia's inability to produce weapons.....but do you know our ability to do such requires China's cooperation? Without China's rare earth minerals.......we are sunk.


    With Biden emptying our arsenal.........I find it VERY concerning Biden is dumping weapons while relying on China to replenish our inventories. What could go wrong?


    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis

    If we examine most major weapons systems, they cannot function without using rare earth minerals. That's why the current supply crisis is a five-alarm fire


    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis | Fox News
    That's it right China and Russia are allies. China can shut down our military in a heart beat. Heck, they found a lithium deposit in Maine and the first thing Maine did was shut down any attempts to mine the material.

    In an all out war with Russia we lose, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    We can wait and see, or go with: I doubt that Russia would be dumb enough to launch the first nuclear strike. Putin, as he lay dying would probably want to, but his inner circle would never allow him to do that.
    Putin has said Russia would not do a first strike but would not lose either.

    Like Richard Boone said in Big Jake, "My fault, your fault, nobody's fault..." the nukes still fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson2 View Post
    No, they are not trained in M1s. There are a variety of issues with sending M1's to Ukraine.

    M1 Abrams Tanks Are Coming to Ukraine: Too Hard to Use? (msn.com)
    (7) Training Ukrainians on M1 Abrams tanks could begin in "weeks, not months," White House says (cnn.com)


    Basically, the M1 is heavier, faster, more technical, larger than the tanks Ukraine has been using and are trained on. The training problem ranges from teaching crews to operate the tanks all the way up to teaching generals the tactics and strategy of using these tanks. And as all the articles state the logistics of using these tanks is a problem, Ukraine does not have and never had the infrastructure to maintain and operate such technical systems.

    And much of the trained Ukrainian tank crews were lost in the early part of the war when the Ukrainian armour was destroyed in battle, and then the replacements that manned all the Soviet era armour provided by Poland were lost when those tanks were destroyed in battle. Now the Ukrainians that will man these M1's are raw recruits with no experience or real training, and they will be rushed through in 30 days (says one of the generals).

    And....some people think the Abrams is some sort of invincible wonder weapon thats going to mow down Russians. Its going to be interesting to see what happens. The Abrams has done well against lightly armed insurgents and IEDs and a demoralized 2nd tier force (Iraq), but its never been used against a peer adversary. Russia and China have had 30 years to develop anti-tank weapons and tactics against the M1 and Leopard.
    That's what I've said. Wait until the M-1s get bogged down in Ukraine's black mud. Easy targets for sure.

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    Let me be perfectly clear here.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Russia is fighting against anti-Christian forces and Liberal World Order Fascists. Russia is my friend. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    Let me be perfectly clear here.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Russia is fighting against anti-Christian forces and Liberal World Order Fascists. Russia is my friend. Case closed.
    That is 100% my position as well. If we can beat the LWO, then Russia and us can work out whatever other differences we have. But for right now, the LWO is the greatest threat to people like me.
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