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    Quote Originally Posted by What'sThat? View Post
    Now Ukraine wants F-16s and claims they will get them

    This is Insanity


    We will get F-16sí: Ukraine aims for NATOís fighter jets after winning battle for Western tanks


    Ukraine aims for F-16 fighter jets after winning battle for tanks (cnbc.com)
    Hey.... welfare recipients get everything they whine for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    Russia's most formidable weapons? What are they? Due to systemic corruption they can't produce their T-14 tank, which on paper looks pretty good but keeps stalling in parades.

    Their stealth fighter is joke, but due to that sytemic corruption, they can't build any of those either.

    Their Sarmat missiles are liquid-fueled, meaning they are a first-strike weapon, but manufacturers of them hasn't started yet, years and years behind schedule. Yep, more systemic corruption.

    The Russians have been able to build and deploy some of their "hypersonic" Kinzhal missiles, but a close look at them reveals the hype doesn't live up to the weapon. It's basically an air-launched ballistic missile. EVERY ballistic missile and spacecraft has reached hypersonic speeds. The Germans V-2 rocket achieved hypersonic speeds.

    The Kinzhal missile is basically an air-launched Iskander missile, capable enough but nothing new. The "hypersonic" label is a marketing gimmick. Russia is, or was, the world second-largest arms exporter. I said "was" because of their overall dismal showing in Ukraine, which has demonstrated their T-90 tanks have the same Achillies heel as their antique T-72 tanks.

    Russia NEEDS to sell a lot of arms so that it can build it's stealth fighters and other truly advanced weapons.

    Right now, things don't look too good.
    FYI Russia just launched a hypersonic missile from a ship in the Atlantic.


    I will not argue on Russia's inability to produce weapons.....but do you know our ability to do such requires China's cooperation? Without China's rare earth minerals.......we are sunk.


    With Biden emptying our arsenal.........I find it VERY concerning Biden is dumping weapons while relying on China to replenish our inventories. What could go wrong?


    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis

    If we examine most major weapons systems, they cannot function without using rare earth minerals. That's why the current supply crisis is a five-alarm fire

    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis | Fox News
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    I git it now >>> when all else fails >>> send new
    90K LB Abrams tanks that only get 3 miles to a gallon
    of 'jet fuel'

    Oh, and send another pallet of cash to the 'actor'
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    Quote Originally Posted by crayons View Post
    I git it now >>> when all else fails >>> send new
    90K LB Abrams tanks that only get 3 miles to a gallon
    of 'jet fuel'

    Oh, and send another pallet of cash to the 'actor'
    Biden should send electric tanks. After all, Ukraine lusts after the WEF.
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    This man, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr, is a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGarak View Post
    Up to you really. Maybe Putin does deserve the unconditional trust you place in him. That's for you to decide really.
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    No, thats not it at all. You stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by EGarak View Post
    Respecting Ukraine's sovereignty is not provoking Russia. And Putin's justification for invading Ukraine had zero mention of NATO. His official reason, which hasn't changed by the way, was that Ukraine is full of Nazis.
    That was either ignorance or you lied. In Putins February speeches (which I linked and quoted), he explicitly stated the main reason for invading was NATOs' eastward expansion. Russia has stated since 1991 that NATO was a threat and NATO moving into Ukraine was a red line that if crossed would mean war. I've provided several posts with links to articles from 2022 going back to the early 1990's proving Russia has warned of NATO in Ukraine and the West fully understood the warning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    Not likely. But it will signal the end of the USA, Canada, and Mexico.
    We can wait and see, or go with: I doubt that Russia would be dumb enough to launch the first nuclear strike. Putin, as he lay dying would probably want to, but his inner circle would never allow him to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson2 View Post
    @Robert


    You forgot to mention Bush Defense Sec Rumsfeld who would not allow the appropriate number of troops to be sent to Iraq, it was a disaster and a lot of good people were killed because of it. Gen. Shinseki pointed out the flaw and Rumsfeld ruined his career. Bush backed up his buddy "Rummy" and would not change the clearly failed strategy insisting all was well with the Iraq war. Until after Bush was re-elected, then it changed. For Bush and "Rummy" it was politics above people.
    I would have flat out lied to say what you said. Rumsfeld played a very minor role in Iraq. Read two very informative books by two General. A General speaks out is one and American Soldier the other. American Soldier book by Tommy R. Franks

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    Quote Originally Posted by What'sThat? View Post
    FYI Russia just launched a hypersonic missile from a ship in the Atlantic.


    I will not argue on Russia's inability to produce weapons.....but do you know our ability to do such requires China's cooperation? Without China's rare earth minerals.......we are sunk.


    With Biden emptying our arsenal.........I find it VERY concerning Biden is dumping weapons while relying on China to replenish our inventories. What could go wrong?


    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis

    If we examine most major weapons systems, they cannot function without using rare earth minerals. That's why the current supply crisis is a five-alarm fire


    China could shut down our military in a minute if we don't fix the looming rare earths supply crisis | Fox News
    How 'bout that? The piddly, on the verge of economic collapse (LOL) Dragon has the big, bad American military by the balls... learn something new every day, eh? No matter, since "diplomacy" is no longer recognized as in the national interest by this country the Russo-Ukranian War is going to be ripe this Spring for that tiny wuddle miscalculation... AND THEN IT'S "THE DAY AFTER", BABY! ​POOF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    We can wait and see, or go with: I doubt that Russia would be dumb enough to launch the first nuclear strike. Putin, as he lay dying would probably want to, but his inner circle would never allow him to do that.
    What would you do if your neighbor cut off your access to the main road by your home, murdered the congregation of the church you attend, and said that they have friends that will annihilate you if you fight them?
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    This man, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr, is a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    What would you do if your neighbor cut off your access to the main road by your home, murdered the congregation of the church you attend, and said that they have friends that will annihilate you if you fight them?
    Kill him with a blowtorch and Vice Grips.

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