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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubler9 View Post
    This is my take were I to ease on my rigid stance on this matter.
    I am not criticising valid opinions but I have observed, on many occasions, a child doing whatever it likes and the parents not asserting any form of control except to give the child whatever he/she demands via his/her behavior.
    Example: Child running around the room, with other people in the room, a total nuisance, who is almost rewarded by the words - "Oh, he has ADHD" ?? back in the day this ADHD was never heard of. Parents, would drag child off the furniture and put him out of the room until he behaved.
    All I am saying is ADHD was never, ever mentioned and the out of control child became orderly.

    As I have said: My Grandson does not act unruly in my presence. He is not quiet either, he is normal. Yet is uncontrollable in his own home to which he was diagnosed as having ADHD. He clearly does NOT have ADHD. He has unrestricted freedom to do what he likes.
    I have proved he does not have ADHD so this means all the children diagnosed as having ADHD by the same officials (specialists or whatever) might just live in a home with no discipline.
    Yeah, I am sure ADHD diagnosis/claims is overblown since in the schools my daughter went to, she was the ONLY ONE who showed the classic symptoms that persisted for years in the school system which the Teachers didn't understand her strange inability to complete her homework or turn them in even when she did them but the ones, she does turn in are A and B's level.

    This year at the special school designed for struggling students' teachers have agreed that she shows the symptoms of ADD and has to be reminded in remembering to turn in her assignments but otherwise she is joy to have around not causing trouble with anyone according to the school's counselor psychiatrist.

    When she was young, she became very depressed because she was struggling with school so much to the point that she hated it which turns out that she struggled to concentrate and get her assignments done which she knew was hurting her and didn't know how to deal with it so she would wear all black and became quiet and distant for a several years but I kept up with her helping her cope with it while minimizing her infatuation with depressing things which she slowly moved away as she realized that she will always be loved and supported in her effort to do better she opened up to me revealing how anxious she gets and how she struggles to remember some things which always bothered her.

    Some of her anxiety has dissipated and her determination to get her assignments have grown because she realizes she needs to build towards the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless terrier View Post
    pretty sure my wife has selective ADHD.
    My wife had selective PMS. Wait, all PMS was selective. My step-daughter caught PMS from her mother and when she went into the Coast Guard she threw one, just one, of her patented PMS temper tantrums and met Mr. Brig. No more tantrums...until she got married. Even my wife's PMS rages were only at home. Never at work. She thought a wife couldn't get fired.


    There is also an issue of fetal alcohol syndrome and the less severe fetal alcohol effects. These are caused by women drinking and/or using drugs while pregnant. I have known cases where the children of mothers who admitted heavy drinking through pregnancy were diagnosed with ADHD instead of fetal alcohol effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Wow, that's like the covid symptoms. Everyone has ADHD. For children who are bright and are in classrooms geared for students with double-digit IQs, most of those symptoms are inevitable. Whether it's real or not is not mine to say but I have dealt with kids who had ADHD and they didn't seem to have the problems with me.


    I think it may be overused by adults looking for an excuse for their shortcomings as a parent or a teacher. I know this is a shock but people are individuals including kids. Even if you put them all in grey uniforms and make all of them sit in a row and tell all of them that have to follow the steps one through thirty-seven-thousand you'll have some that don't fit in and it isn't an illness.


    I know of a set of twin girls whose grandmother decided very early that one was the good twin and one was the bad twin. In this case, good was obedient and bad was independent. The twins are adults now and granny still considers one good and one bad. Me? I preferred that "bad" and saw nothing bad about her.
    Most people have been distracted once in a while or forget something or whatever from the list but in a few peoples case it is ALL THE TIME a problem a distinction that needs to be understood.

    I see it firsthand with my daughter who LIVES this way a 24/7 condition while the rest of us will have done any of them on occasion big freaking deal!

    I forgot where my phone was late last evening beginning to panic after a search in the house in the usual places and in the vehicle didn't turn up the phone considered waking up one of my daughters to call my phone but decided not to do it was time to do a quick clean up on my table only to find my phone under a napkin imagine my relief!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    it is a real condition that is over diagnosed and the medicine, which is basically speed, is over prescribed.
    it's called ADDERALL .. amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. hard core stimulants given to children.
    some are born to sweet delight .. some are born to the endless night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    Most people have been distracted once in a while or forget something or whatever from the list but in a few peoples case it is ALL THE TIME a problem a distinction that needs to be understood.

    I see it firsthand with my daughter who LIVES this way a 24/7 condition while the rest of us will have done any of them on occasion big freaking deal!

    I forgot where my phone was late last evening beginning to panic after a search in the house in the usual places and in the vehicle didn't turn up the phone considered waking up one of my daughters to call my phone but decided not to do it was time to do a quick clean up on my table only to find my phone under a napkin imagine my relief!!!
    You're right. Many diagnoses for psychological problems really hinge on degree. I took college classes for over twenty years because I enjoyed it. But I'd see kids in psychology classes who were terrified because they had every symptom. The issue isn't the symptom it's the degree and whether or not it affects your life. This is true not just for ADHD but for all "psychological" conditions.


    And, some are simply fads. I had a friend working in child welfare and I asked him what Asperger's Syndrome was. He rolled his eyes and said, "The next big fad." One of the problems is the government pays for you to have a child with various syndromes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubler9 View Post
    Not trolling - a serious question....
    You may not believe this: Such a question will be deleted, censored in UK - Facebook etc. For the few hours it is on display vitriol and nastiness will on the menu. It could induce being called a NAZI !!

    I do not believe ADHD is a real mental impairment, short or long term. What do you think?
    It exist and I have seen it. Some people don't focus like others and often self medicate. I've heard the testimony about how the world "slowed down" and "made sense" once these folks received treatment . IO think I have a bit myself but never treated. But for severe cases it can shape and limit a life.
    These folks often drink pots of coffee or multiple monsters to self medicate. Remember this disorder is medically treated with stimulants.

    HOWEVER, being real does not prevent a disorder from being over diagnosed and I believe this one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless terrier View Post
    they say there is adult ADHD as well.
    Right it often doesn't just go away, adults hide it better. And there is a sub type that comes without all the physical symptoms but rather a constantly distracted mind called ADD called Inattentive ADD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubler9 View Post
    My grandson has been diagnosed with it by an official person. But he never acts out those symptoms when I am with him, away from his home. When he used to use my settee as a trampoline I never tolerated it. I told him to behave. If he refused I told him we will not go to the park with his football - he would immediately comply and NOT HATE ME. He still wanted to be with me in the park. The same when he speak to me, he will put his phone down and speak, with others he does not take his eyes off his phone, even when spoken to.
    Look into the disease a bit. You may be on to something, he could be wrongly diagnosed, but the symptoms are more complex than that and the biggest thing may be his ability to mentally focus. That makes it tough because kids are supposed to have wandering minds .

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    ADHD became common as in the label for almost all hyperactive children - directly in line with high divorce rates, family breakdowns and lack of discipline. Akin to many dog owners who say: "Its fine he will not bite" as they watch their dog growling with teeth gnashing. Their dog can do no wrong despite the evidence from an objective stance.

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