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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    Fair enough, but mass areas flooded by major hurricanes resulting in EVs catching on fire is very statistically rare. However, there were over 170,000+ highway car fires in the US last year for non-EV's. If a news outlet took that and wrote an article making it seem like if you drive your gas-powered car onto a highway that it will then catch on fire because of the engine, I'm sure you'd consider that article to be a bit agenda driven and lacking proper context and data, right?
    Your posts are agenda driven. EV's exist as part of the global warming new climate change scam. There is no man made climate change. Since 1970, he scammers have made 40 or 50 dire predictions about the consequences of man made climate change. Not a single has come true. Not one has come even partly true. Man made climate change is a lie fostered on the incredibly stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    The cars need to come with a huge built-in fire extinguisher that is suitable for electrical fires. Water isn't the right thing to use and firemen can't be expected to have a big supply of the stuff handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indlib View Post
    I disagree.
    With which sentence? You think water is the right stuff for an electrical fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    Man made climate change is a lie fostered on the incredibly stupid.
    kinda like thinking that electric cars and lithium batteries are better for the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    With which sentence? You think water is the right stuff for an electrical fire?
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    Water with enough impurities to promote electrical conduction is the stuff of electrical fires.
    Ask a fireman or a Navy man.
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    Y'know, there IS scope for electrical surface transportation, but batteries are not the way to go.

    There is proven technology for transportation: catenary direct electrification. It's been around for over a century. Works like a champ. great in mountains and in crummy weather. Although the Russians are monument screw-ups, they got one thing right: they direct-electrified every meter of their Trans-Siberia Railway. It easily handles the near-Alpine grades and weather just doesn't get any worse than Siberia. Locomotives are reliable - even with poor Russian maintenance - and they last for decades. A lot of the world's railroads are direct electrified. The Indians are quite satisfied with direct electrification.

    This also works for heavy line-haul truck freight roads as well. Saab-Scandia and Siemens have had a demonstration link built between Oslo and Stockholm. It seems to work well. Again, vicious weather isn't a problem. You can easily adapt existing roads to accommodate catenary electrification. You do have to raise some overpasses to allow clearance for the catenary and tunnels might have to be re-bored.

    Not necessarily cheap, but nothing about transportation is cheap. A Class Eight truck requires about 300 HP to just maintain Interstate speeds, where a private car maybe draws 20 HP. An eighteen-wheeler burns as much fuel as fifteen grocery-getters and has a far higher duty cycle. And they don't tend to catch fire in run-of-the-mill hurricane. Direct electrification does not require importation of some rare metal from an unstable Third World country. America has plenty of iron and copper.

    Direct electrification can allow you a choice of wayside-driven energy sources. Natural gas, coal, nuclear (even fusion if somebody ever makes that work) or even solar if you can roof over an entire state... In mountainous terrain pumped storage tech can flatten out loads on the generators.

    Yes, it would be a BIG job. Figure thirty years to completely electrify railroads and major line-haul roads. Maybe - just maybe - in thirty years somebody comes up with a supplementary form for grocery-getters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
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    Water with enough impurities to promote electrical conduction is the stuff of electrical fires.
    Ask a fireman or a Navy man.

    Ask anyone with "Common Sense", ie, don't walk thru standing water with Electrical Wires in it...!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
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    Water with enough impurities to promote electrical conduction is the stuff of electrical fires.
    Ask a fireman or a Navy man.
    Ummmm..... that's what I said. Didn't need to be in the navy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    The cars need to come with a huge built-in fire extinguisher that is suitable for electrical fires. Water isn't the right thing to use and firemen can't be expected to have a big supply of the stuff handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    The problem I have with articles like this one is that they are pretty blatantly agenda based in the way that they are written and especially how the headline is worded. If you read through the article is uses a quote from someone that there are a "ton" of EV's that are disabled due to the hurricane. Well, yeah, of course there are, and there are also a ton of gas-powered cars that are disabled because of flood waters too from the hurricane, and definitely in greater numbers since there are more of them on the road, but that's not mentioned, most likely on purpose. Also based on how the article is written it wants the reader to think that there are "tons" of EV's catching fire and exploding, because of the sensational headline, and partnered with the lack of detail within the article it's easy to come away thinking that that must be true, but very subtlety towards the end it acknowledges in one short sentence that it's actually unknown how many EV's actually caught fire or exploded...a pretty big fact to quickly gloss over.

    A "top official" says that there are a "number" of incidences. What's a "number"? three? three hundred? three thousand? What? Which basically means that they used one or just a few isolated instances, and then the opinion of that official that they interviewed, to infer for the reader that EV batteries will corrode, catch fire, and even explode if they get wet and that it's creating a new problem for firefighters and so on...so therefore don't buy one.

    Obviously at least one EV caught fire because they mentioned it in the photo, but beyond that one Tesla mentioned there's no other real details or actual journalistic research that it shares that it is actually a real problem. It doesn't talk about if these fires and explosions are truly directly related to the battery being wet, it doesn't mention how wet does the battery have to be for it to be problem, how long does it have to be exposed to water for this dangerous situation to happen, or if there were other circumstances with these particular situations that made the fire unique. It doesn't show any responses from Tesla or other EV builders about what their engineers have to say. So, is the article then just written as a sincere warning by the writer or is it meant to just to try and scare people for clicks? I'm going with clicks at the moment.

    I'm not denying that batteries can corrode or potentially catch on fire, so can the engine and battery of a gas-powered car by the way, but I just have an issue with articles that are written in a way that intends to reinforce a bias either towards something or against something based on the media outlet and its audience, and in this case it's Fox News and the bias is clearly trying to appeal to readers that want some kind of ammunition to use against EV's. It's just basically yellow journalism in my opinion, or at the very least it's lazy. I can go to MSNBC.com right now and find similar sensational headlines and agenda driven journalism too, but just with a different bias and without specifics that could give the reader a balanced perspective and important details.
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