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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    Waterlogged EV batteries are catching fire and exploding in the aftermath of Hurricane Ian.



    Sorry.
    I have to laugh.
    Electric Cars..........such a stupid idea...

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ele...official-warns
    Their pipe dreams are turning into pipe bombs, how fitting.

    Why won't these science deniers simply admit that EV's simply are not a long term solution and certainly not one ready for primetime?

    You can't even make EV's without a lot of petroleum and that includes their battery cases so what are the oil companies to do in the future, pump the gasoline, kerosene, fuel oil, and diesel back into ground that isn't used?

    What's that going to do for the price of plastics and composites not to mention everything made from petroleum resins and epoxies like oh, maybe Stealth Aircraft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    The problem I have with articles like this one is that they are pretty blatantly agenda based in the way that they are written and especially how the headline is worded. If you read through the article is uses a quote from someone that there are a "ton" of EV's that are disabled due to the hurricane. Well, yeah, of course there are, and there are also a ton of gas-powered cars that are disabled because of flood waters too from the hurricane, and definitely in greater numbers since there are more of them on the road, but that's not mentioned, most likely on purpose. Also based on how the article is written it wants the reader to think that there are "tons" of EV's catching fire and exploding, because of the sensational headline, and partnered with the lack of detail within the article it's easy to come away thinking that that must be true, but very subtlety towards the end it acknowledges in one short sentence that it's actually unknown how many EV's actually caught fire or exploded...a pretty big fact to quickly gloss over.

    A "top official" says that there are a "number" of incidences. What's a "number"? three? three hundred? three thousand? What? Which basically means that they used one or just a few isolated instances, and then the opinion of that official that they interviewed, to infer for the reader that EV batteries will corrode, catch fire, and even explode if they get wet and that it's creating a new problem for firefighters and so on...so therefore don't buy one.

    Obviously at least one EV caught fire because they mentioned it in the photo, but beyond that one Tesla mentioned there's no other real details or actual journalistic research that it shares that it is actually a real problem. It doesn't talk about if these fires and explosions are truly directly related to the battery being wet, it doesn't mention how wet does the battery have to be for it to be problem, how long does it have to be exposed to water for this dangerous situation to happen, or if there were other circumstances with these particular situations that made the fire unique. It doesn't show any responses from Tesla or other EV builders about what their engineers have to say. So, is the article then just written as a sincere warning by the writer or is it meant to just to try and scare people for clicks? I'm going with clicks at the moment.

    I'm not denying that batteries can corrode or potentially catch on fire, so can the engine and battery of a gas-powered car by the way, but I just have an issue with articles that are written in a way that intends to reinforce a bias either towards something or against something based on the media outlet and its audience, and in this case it's Fox News and the bias is clearly trying to appeal to readers that want some kind of ammunition to use against EV's. It's just basically yellow journalism in my opinion, or at the very least it's lazy. I can go to MSNBC.com right now and find similar sensational headlines and agenda driven journalism too, but just with a different bias and without specifics that could give the reader a balanced perspective and important details.


    As for conventional vehicle fires they frequently are due to batteries shorting out.

    As for EV's?

    Unlike gas/diesel powered vehicles they are prone to burning or exploding when simply parked or charging not to mention how much hotter they burn and how much more difficult those fires are to put out and the horribly toxic mess produced.

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    Not just water. What is causing the fires is electrically conductive salt water.

    It presents a dead short to a device (battery) capable of large currents and lots of heat.

    Just another engineering fundamental fouling up the battery pipe dream.
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    They know they are lying. We know they are lying. They know we know they are lying.

    They lie anyway. It's what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Hunter View Post
    The problem you have is that you want your own facts and your own truth, regardless of reality.

    It is known that Li based batteries burn, from crashes, from manufacturing problems, and even while charging.
    Salt water will corrode virtually any metal in a car other than gold.
    Corrode the battery and degrade it's integrity...

    It does not matter if you like these facts, they are facts.
    Ok but I didn't deny any of that. Literally the first sentence of what you quoted from me says that. I was responding to the article that was written, and how it is written to basically scare people and to give the false impression that an EV is a time bomb after a hurricane and that there are tons of them ready to catch fire or explode. It didn't give a balanced perspective, it didn't give statistics or rebuttals, it didn't even provide enough details to justify the article being written about the situation. This is what today's media does though. It takes isolated incidences and tries to frame it as a national problem created by a particular side of the political spectrum. That's what I have a problem with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post


    As for conventional vehicle fires they frequently are due to batteries shorting out.

    As for EV's?

    Unlike gas/diesel powered vehicles they are prone to burning or exploding when simply parked or charging not to mention how much hotter they burn and how much more difficult those fires are to put out and the horribly toxic mess produced.
    That's a much better journalistic piece about this topic than the Fox News article. However, I think the main takeaway, even from this video, people should have is that the statistical odds are still incredibly low that your EV, or gas powered car for that matter, will ever catch on fire for any reason. I just don't like the articles and "journalism" that inflames something (no pun intended) based on isolated incidences in order to stir up clicks or to reinforce a political agenda. EV batteries will get better and safer, just like almost all vehicle technology does as time goes on and manufactures are able to troubleshoot and improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    The problem I have with articles like this one is that they are pretty blatantly agenda based in the way that they are written and especially how the headline is worded. If you read through the article is uses a quote from someone that there are a "ton" of EV's that are disabled due to the hurricane. Well, yeah, of course there are, and there are also a ton of gas-powered cars that are disabled because of flood waters too from the hurricane, and definitely in greater numbers since there are more of them on the road, but that's not mentioned, most likely on purpose. Also based on how the article is written it wants the reader to think that there are "tons" of EV's catching fire and exploding, because of the sensational headline, and partnered with the lack of detail within the article it's easy to come away thinking that that must be true, but very subtlety towards the end it acknowledges in one short sentence that it's actually unknown how many EV's actually caught fire or exploded...a pretty big fact to quickly gloss over.

    A "top official" says that there are a "number" of incidences. What's a "number"? three? three hundred? three thousand? What? Which basically means that they used one or just a few isolated instances, and then the opinion of that official that they interviewed, to infer for the reader that EV batteries will corrode, catch fire, and even explode if they get wet and that it's creating a new problem for firefighters and so on...so therefore don't buy one.

    Obviously at least one EV caught fire because they mentioned it in the photo, but beyond that one Tesla mentioned there's no other real details or actual journalistic research that it shares that it is actually a real problem. It doesn't talk about if these fires and explosions are truly directly related to the battery being wet, it doesn't mention how wet does the battery have to be for it to be problem, how long does it have to be exposed to water for this dangerous situation to happen, or if there were other circumstances with these particular situations that made the fire unique. It doesn't show any responses from Tesla or other EV builders about what their engineers have to say. So, is the article then just written as a sincere warning by the writer or is it meant to just to try and scare people for clicks? I'm going with clicks at the moment.

    I'm not denying that batteries can corrode or potentially catch on fire, so can the engine and battery of a gas-powered car by the way, but I just have an issue with articles that are written in a way that intends to reinforce a bias either towards something or against something based on the media outlet and its audience, and in this case it's Fox News and the bias is clearly trying to appeal to readers that want some kind of ammunition to use against EV's. It's just basically yellow journalism in my opinion, or at the very least it's lazy. I can go to MSNBC.com right now and find similar sensational headlines and agenda driven journalism too, but just with a different bias and without specifics that could give the reader a balanced perspective and important details.
    Here's a number, 0, the number of gasoline powered cars that have caught fire from being flooded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    Here's a number, 0, the number of gasoline powered cars that have caught fire from being flooded.
    Fair enough, but mass areas flooded by major hurricanes resulting in EVs catching on fire is very statistically rare. However, there were over 170,000+ highway car fires in the US last year for non-EV's. If a news outlet took that and wrote an article making it seem like if you drive your gas-powered car onto a highway that it will then catch on fire because of the engine, I'm sure you'd consider that article to be a bit agenda driven and lacking proper context and data, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    Fair enough, but mass areas flooded by major hurricanes resulting in EVs catching on fire is very statistically rare. However, there were over 170,000+ highway car fires in the US last year for non-EV's. If a news outlet took that and wrote an article making it seem like if you drive your gas-powered car onto a highway that it will then catch on fire because of the engine, I'm sure you'd consider that article to be a bit agenda driven and lacking proper context and data, right?
    Gas powered vehicles don't just catch fire while being charged or re-ignite themselves hours or even days after being put out. Those are facts that have happened. You will never see one in my garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysoul View Post
    Fair enough, but mass areas flooded by major hurricanes resulting in EVs catching on fire is very statistically rare. However, there were over 170,000+ highway car fires in the US last year for non-EV's. If a news outlet took that and wrote an article making it seem like if you drive your gas-powered car onto a highway that it will then catch on fire because of the engine, I'm sure you'd consider that article to be a bit agenda driven and lacking proper context and data, right?
    Link to the claimed 170,000 non EV car fires last year. What PERCENTAGE of EV's caught fire compared to the percentage of gas, intelligently, powered cars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    Gas powered vehicles don't just catch fire while being charged or re-ignite themselves hours or even days after being put out. Those are facts that have happened. You will never see one in my garage.
    And the toxic Lithium-attached-Hydrocarbon fumes from an EV will cause cancers, mental-illness, and birth defects, not just in the owners household, but for anyone within around 800 yards of the event... which in a hurricane, in an area with lots of EVs, means EVERYONE.

    Lithium Battery EVs don't just burn down a house, they KILL EVERYONE!

    But, an EV based on a a Liquid Air canister, and a Thermal Slug, kills no one!

    The Liquid-Air/Thermal Slug EV still charges by plugging it into an electrical source, it doesn't have an internal combustion engine exhaust pipe... it just doesn't KILL!


    I can only assume the people pushing Lithium EVs, have a real agenda of Massive-Human-Depopulation!

    It is not a mistake, oversight, error, or ignorance... not at this point... the Lethal Environmental Disaster is not a mistake, it is the PLAN.
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