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    Watch this, this is exactly the same thing. This is a plasma arc caused by the air being ionized by a spark as the 500kv contacts open. The plasma arc gets longer and longer, because it has zero electrical resistance, and because its a tens of thousands of degrees hot its less denser than the air and rises up, until it touches the earth wire on the top of the pylons, as which point it earths and vanishes. This is exactly what happens in a tokamak if you turn off the magnetic confinement

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    Yeah you can drop a tie line on a high tension line and get a flashover but it is not nearly as hot as a fusion reaction by many exponents.

    I understand the idea perfectly, but I also do not believe in the infallibility of man.

    As for the difference in the materials are you inferring anything could withstand a full blown out of control fusion event?
    I have seen concrete, every type of metal, rock, sand, dirt and anything that I have ever known to exist be destroyed by much less heat.
    Even ultra dense dry clay formations can be damaged with enough sustained superheating.
    DRY Casting sand mix will have some fused particles imbedded in the final casting where the mold meets the packing.

    But anyway nice to read your idea of the infallibility of men, Never been a manmade disaster, never a dam fail, never a bridge fall, never been a space shuttle explode, a controlled demolition of a building go the wrong way, WOW are we not great!!!

    Computers never crash either!!!

    I think secondary measures to prevent catastrophes mean there is the chance of a catastrophe or they would not be needed!

    Seems like they built some measures into the proposed design to give them some time to try to do a shutdown in case of a catastrophic failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12icer View Post
    I think most of the plants that are running in UK are chinese design?
    Are they gonna use another china dome containment system?
    Aren't they shutting down the cooling tower designs?

    So why is unlikely that the magnet system would fail? @Oceander I expect everything to fail when it is subjected to even minimal repetitive stress.
    It's unlikely that an escape of plasma is going to require dousing in the river Thames; the plasma would certainly do a heck of a lot of damage to the plant itself, but it would dissipate rather quickly, and as it dissipated it would stop fusing. It is not like fission, where one has fissionable materials that continue to fission until they have either blown themselves sky-high, or have used up the fissionable material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12icer View Post
    Yeah you can drop a tie line on a high tension line and get a flashover but it is not nearly as hot as a fusion reaction by many exponents.

    I understand the idea perfectly, but I also do not believe in the infallibility of man.

    As for the difference in the materials are you inferring anything could withstand a full blown out of control fusion event?
    I have seen concrete, every type of metal, rock, sand, dirt and anything that I have ever known to exist be destroyed by much less heat.
    Even ultra dense dry clay formations can be damaged with enough sustained superheating.
    DRY Casting sand mix will have some fused particles imbedded in the final casting where the mold meets the packing.

    But anyway nice to read your idea of the infallibility of men, Never been a manmade disaster, never a dam fail, never a bridge fall, never been a space shuttle explode, a controlled demolition of a building go the wrong way, WOW are we not great!!!

    Computers never crash either!!!

    I think secondary measures to prevent catastrophes mean there is the chance of a catastrophe or they would not be needed!

    Seems like they built some measures into the proposed design to give them some time to try to do a shutdown in case of a catastrophic failure.
    Frankly these believers in man's infinite God-like powers to control EVERYTHING always get slapped down by REALITY... damn shame the only victims are innocent bystanders... the 'Sci-Fi" dream worlds of literature and cinema sure has fucked up too many peoples grasp of such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Hope it works.
    It says it's a protype. It's not clear if they're planning on it being able to commercially produce power.
    Fusion technology exists but so far no one has succeeded at being able to get more electrical power out than it takes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12icer View Post
    Yeah you can drop a tie line on a high tension line and get a flashover but it is not nearly as hot as a fusion reaction by many exponents.

    I understand the idea perfectly, but I also do not believe in the infallibility of man.

    As for the difference in the materials are you inferring anything could withstand a full blown out of control fusion event?
    I have seen concrete, every type of metal, rock, sand, dirt and anything that I have ever known to exist be destroyed by much less heat.
    Even ultra dense dry clay formations can be damaged with enough sustained superheating.
    DRY Casting sand mix will have some fused particles imbedded in the final casting where the mold meets the packing.

    But anyway nice to read your idea of the infallibility of men, Never been a manmade disaster, never a dam fail, never a bridge fall, never been a space shuttle explode, a controlled demolition of a building go the wrong way, WOW are we not great!!!

    Computers never crash either!!!

    I think secondary measures to prevent catastrophes mean there is the chance of a catastrophe or they would not be needed!

    Seems like they built some measures into the proposed design to give them some time to try to do a shutdown in case of a catastrophic failure.
    The fusion channel in a tokomak is only as few centimeters wide, same as in the video. Plus, new breakthrough just yesterday, they have discovered they can inject Boron into the plasma channel and it soaks up the stray neutrons that causes the liner damage, thus by using Tungsten and Titanium liners as well, they have now virtually eliminated the problem of liner damage. And as above, and failure of the magnetic confinement and the tokomak instantly flames out.


    Nice to see you totally ignore the history of human technical achievement. Like ive pointed out before, history shows there is no technical challenge we haven't cracked in the past, given enough time, energy and resources. And as human knowledge progresses , the time taken to crack problems gets shorter and shorter. This will inevitably lead to two events, the creation of a self aware AI, and the Technological Singularity, where vast amounts of new knowledge become available to us allowing us to develop interplanetary and interstellar travel. Its coming, make no mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    Fusion power is coming, 8 years tops, as is interplanetary and interstellar travel eventually.
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    I heard those very words back in the 1960s.

    The theory does work but only scaled at the thermonuclear warhead and stellar scale, so far.
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