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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Hunter View Post
    Now we are in a nearly post WWI time where if we punish Russia too severely we get Wiemar Republic II, which the watermellons would love, until we get Hitler II, with nukes.
    Yes, that is surely correct.

    But it really does not frighten me.

    Putin is, I believe, a rational person; so I simply cannot imagine that he might use strategic nuclear weapons against the US. (I heard on the news, just the other day, that Britain has enough nuclear weapons to totally destroy all of Russia. And we have more nukes than Britain does. Yes, Russia has far more nukes than the US and Britain combined; but at some point, we are just talking about bouncing the rubble.)
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    War takes on a life of it's own. In the early 20th century Europe was prosperous and at peace, most of the monarchs were kissing cousins no one envisioned killing 20 million people over an assassination by an extreme nationalist.

    Putin isn't about to launch against America. There is a small possibility he will use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. Can anyone predict what the regime leader, in possession of the football, who is prone to dementia induced fits of rage, will do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    War takes on a life of it's own. In the early 20th century Europe was prosperous and at peace, most of the monarchs were kissing cousins no one envisioned killing 20 million people over an assassination by an extreme nationalist.

    Putin isn't about to launch against America. There is a small possibility he will use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. Can anyone predict what the regime leader, in possession of the football, who is prone to dementia induced fits of rage, will do?
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    That's what will go through Biden's mind.
    But if he tries to attack Russia directly, Biden may suddenly take a fancy to slavic food and get that polonium blini that @Northern Rivers' keeps seeing in his dreams. Kamala's got a good thing going and won't be willing to give it up just because Biden wants to play army. I'm sure the CIA has a contingency plan for such a situation. Brennan would have drawn one up when Trump was elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    Putin isn't about to launch against America. There is a small possibility he will use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. Can anyone predict what the regime leader, in possession of the football, who is prone to dementia induced fits of rage, will do?
    I cannot predict, with any certainty (or near-certainty) what Putin might do with regard to using tactical nukes against Ukraine.

    I can only say that he is quite unlikely to ever use strategic nukes against the US--a point that you have already conceded.

    Oh, if he were to use tactical nukes against Ukraine, there is almost no possibility that we might respond in kind, in my opinion. Far more likely is the possibility that we would totally destroy Russia's navy and air force, from the air.

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    bidens war...
    "The nose, knows"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Far more likely is the possibility that we would totally destroy Russia's navy and air force, from the air.
    Guaranteed we would then see the big ones coming our way.
    "There is simply no justification or provocation for Russiaís choice of war. Itís an example of one of the oldest of human impulses: using brute force and disinformation to satisfy a craving for absolute power and control."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post
    bidens war...
    The same people who told us the fake vaccine was ok to take, that it stopped the spread of covid and cloth masks protected you claim Russia is losing.



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    The Oligarchs won't let him take it that far...or...what good is their wealth? A life of luxury...or...a life of worry and destruction?

    That's the factor most people miss.
    Eh! What else can I say???

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    This answers the question nicely.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/562967-put...e-plan-change/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinnity View Post
    What do you think?
    He had several goals orignially.

    First and foremost to gain control of Ukraine's natural resources and nuclear plants.

    Second he wanted to send a message to Europe and that message was, "You could be next" to secure his position as a great leader of a great world power.

    He never got over the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia's becoming a 2nd rate super power.

    He also wanted to secure his legacy and his hold on power for the rest of his life.

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