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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    But, you add other doctrines, covenants, and words written on golden plates witnessed by 3 and 8.
    You're saying Robert is a member of the LDS Church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    You're saying Robert is a member of the LDS Church?
    Pretty sure Robert has said that.

    They have a nice building on the DC beltway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    Yes, wherever hell appears it's an inexact translation of Sheol, OT, or. Hades, Gehenna, or Tartarus, NT, as you noted and none describe the eternal hell the Roman/Carthaginian school invented. Indeed, modern Bible translators have turned away from using the term "hell"


    Before the Roman Church became dominant, and often projecting its belief at the end of a sword, five other schools of Christian thought existed. Four taught universal salvation: the Alexandria, Caesarea, Antioch, and the Eastern Syrian schools. One, the Asia Minor school, taught the annihilation of the sinner. Only the North African school, which became the Roman Church, taught eternal torment.

    Another understanding of the broad gate applies to the self-declared Christian churches that follow the erroneous eternal hell doctrine.




    Once I saw the universalist Gospel I couldn't un-see it. The theme runs through the OT and NT. Universalism is consistent with an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent Creator God. The eternal torment doctrine isn't. A light sample of verses that point to universal salvation.

    Romans 14:11
    For it is written,As I live, says the Lord,
    every knee will bow to me,
    and every tongue will give praise to God.

    John 3:17
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    John 17:1,2
    Jesus spoke these things, looked up to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, since you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him. (all people)

    Romans 5:18
    So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is justification leading to life for everyone.

    Romans 11:32
    For God has consigned all to disobedience that he may have mercy on all. Pretty plain talk right there.

    1 Corinthians 15:22
    For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    All verses from the Christian Standard Bible.


    A lengthy discussion on this issue could be had indeed. However, no one knows what occurs at death. Many who survive being temporarily "dead" report a "life review." Who knows what happens in those milliseconds?

    My point is: The Gospel preached by the eternal torment churches is NOT the Gospel taught by Christ and his Apostles. Clear universalist passages exist. I could give you many more than I gave.

    God's victory is total. Hallelujah. That's some good news.
    Great. No sin matters! Everyone gets a participation trophy. What a deal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    A Serb started WW1.

    The Balkans are Earth's tinderbox.
    Accusing Gavrilo Princip of starting the Great War is the equivalent of indicting Edmund Ruffin for starting the Civil War.

    bog blagoslovio Srbe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    But, you add other doctrines, covenants, and words written on golden plates witnessed by 3 and 8.
    What does that have to do with Anna's choice of fingernails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Arthur View Post
    Accusing Gavrilo Princip of starting the Great War is the equivalent of indicting Edmund Ruffin for starting the Civil War.

    bog blagoslovio Srbe!
    WW1 was not a happening until Austria declared war on Serbia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    Pretty sure Robert has said that.

    They have a nice building on the DC beltway.
    The church temples are very nice buildings. Our normal church is fitting the community and are also very well kept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    You're saying Robert is a member of the LDS Church?
    Sure I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    But, you add other doctrines, covenants, and words written on golden plates witnessed by 3 and 8.
    Do you accept that global history is only located in the Christian Bible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Do you accept that global history is only located in the Christian Bible?
    No.

    Do you?
    Last edited by Authentic; 09-19-2022 at 07:12 PM.

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