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    President Vucic says he will never recognize Kosovo


    (ANSA) - BELGRADE, SEP 13 - Serbia will neither indirectly nor directly recognize Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence, nor will it abandon the legitimate struggle for state and national interests, as well as the struggle for respect for international law, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said today, local media in Serbia reported.
    Serbia: President Vucic says he will never recognize Kosovo - Serbia - Nuova Europa - ANSA.it

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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    The Roman/Carthaginian church turned the Gospel into bad news with their unique at the time concept of eternal hell, a place of eternal pain and suffering.
    As I may have noted in a previous post--I am not quite sure--the word translated "hell" in most versions is usually "gehenna."

    This is a corrupted form of The Valley of Hinnom.

    Well, exactly what was The Valley of Hinnom, anyway?

    The Valley of Hinnom was a place just outside Jerusalem where ancient kings sometimes sacrificed babies to the flames.

    Later, it was a place where residents of Jerusalem often burned their trash.

    In Mark 9:48, Jesus speaks of the "worm that does not die" (an obvious reference to Isaiah 66:24).

    The only other time we have "hell" in most versions is at II Peter 2:4. In this instance, it is a word form of "tartarus." (Tartarus was considered, by the ancient Greeks, to be a place of great suffering, even lower than hades.)

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    Moreover, the Roman Church greatly diminished the victory over sin, declaring most of humanity to be headed for hell.
    I am no fan of the Catholic Church; but this teaching seems to be in keeping with Jesus' teaching that most will enter through the broad gate--the one that leads to "destruction," rather than eternal life.

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    It's my belief that God's victory over sin is total, and that all will at some point be saved.
    This doctrine is typically known as universalism.

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    The Roman Church declared without the backing of Scripture that a person must be saved within his or her mortal life.
    I simply cannot imagine just when salvation might come, if not within one's "mortal life." (Well, unless, that is, one believes in Purgatory--a Catholic doctrine, which certainly lacks any "backing of Scripture.")
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    Are the troublemakers in the Balkans getting going while everyone is distracted by the defeat of Russia?

    If so, let 'em fight.
    Marxists, Socialists, Democrats, Russians, and the legacy media.

    They lie all the time. They lie about everything.

    They know they are lying. We know they are lying. They know we know they are lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Are the troublemakers in the Balkans getting going while everyone is distracted by the defeat of Russia?

    If so, let 'em fight.
    So,now it's OK to stay out of it?......got it!
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    A Serb started WW1.

    The Balkans are Earth's tinderbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Serbia is strongly "Supported" & Allied with Russia..

    Ironically Turkey is also "Allied" or Good Russia relations yet Erdogan and Instanbulls "Goals" are in Direct Conflict with Moscow Goals take Syria for instance or the Armenia/Azerbaijan Conflict..

    Yet Russia and Turkey remain like "Best Friends" at least Erdogan & Putin ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    A Serb started WW1.

    The Balkans are Earth's tinderbox.
    Austria started WW1. A full month after the assassination happened. One person killed the Austrian. But the country of Austria declared war first.

    The assassination of Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand (June 28, 1914) was the main catalyst for the start of the Great War (World War I). After the assassination, the following series of events took place: • July 28 - Austria declared war on Serbia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
    It's a good question up for each person to answer.

    At one point in my life, I believed in an infallible Bible. Now, I think all the versions have errors, mostly minor errors.

    The NKJV is one of my favorites, as are the ASV, the NASB, NRSV, and the CSB, which I just recently discovered.

    Often I compare versions of a verse side by side. Usually they are in fundamental agreement.

    Young's Literal Translation is interesting, too.
    You agree with my faiths statements about the Bible too. We believe the Bible so far as it is correctly translated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    You agree with my faiths statements about the Bible too. We believe the Bible so far as it is correctly translated.
    But, you add other doctrines, covenants, and words written on golden plates witnessed by 3 and 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    As I may have noted in a previous post--I am not quite sure--the word translated "hell" in most versions is usually "gehenna."

    This is a corrupted form of The Valley of Hinnom.

    Well, exactly what was The Valley of Hinnom, anyway?

    The Valley of Hinnom was a place just outside Jerusalem where ancient kings sometimes sacrificed babies to the flames.

    Later, it was a place where residents of Jerusalem often burned their trash.

    In Mark 9:48, Jesus speaks of the "worm that does not die" (an obvious reference to Isaiah 66:24).

    The only other time we have "hell" in most versions is at II Peter 2:4. In this instance, it is a word form of "tartarus." (Tartarus was considered, by the ancient Greeks, to be a place of great suffering, even lower than hades.)
    Yes, wherever hell appears it's an inexact translation of Sheol, OT, or. Hades, Gehenna, or Tartarus, NT, as you noted and none describe the eternal hell the Roman/Carthaginian school invented. Indeed, modern Bible translators have turned away from using the term "hell"

    I am no fan of the Catholic Church; but this teaching seems to be in keeping with Jesus' teaching that most will enter through the broad gate--the one that leads to "destruction," rather than eternal life.
    Before the Roman Church became dominant, and often projecting its belief at the end of a sword, five other schools of Christian thought existed. Four taught universal salvation: the Alexandria, Caesarea, Antioch, and the Eastern Syrian schools. One, the Asia Minor school, taught the annihilation of the sinner. Only the North African school, which became the Roman Church, taught eternal torment.

    Another understanding of the broad gate applies to the self-declared Christian churches that follow the erroneous eternal hell doctrine.

    This doctrine is typically known as universalism.

    Once I saw the universalist Gospel I couldn't un-see it. The theme runs through the OT and NT. Universalism is consistent with an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent Creator God. The eternal torment doctrine isn't. A light sample of verses that point to universal salvation.

    Romans 14:11
    For it is written,As I live, says the Lord,
    every knee will bow to me,
    and every tongue will give praise to God.

    John 3:17
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    John 17:1,2
    Jesus spoke these things, looked up to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, since you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him. (all people)

    Romans 5:18
    So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is justification leading to life for everyone.

    Romans 11:32
    For God has consigned all to disobedience that he may have mercy on all. Pretty plain talk right there.

    1 Corinthians 15:22
    For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    All verses from the Christian Standard Bible.

    I simply cannot imagine just when salvation might come, if not within one's "mortal life." (Well, unless, that is, one believes in Purgatory--a Catholic doctrine, which certainly lacks any "backing of Scripture.")
    A lengthy discussion on this issue could be had indeed. However, no one knows what occurs at death. Many who survive being temporarily "dead" report a "life review." Who knows what happens in those milliseconds?

    My point is: The Gospel preached by the eternal torment churches is NOT the Gospel taught by Christ and his Apostles. Clear universalist passages exist. I could give you many more than I gave.

    God's victory is total. Hallelujah. That's some good news.
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