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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Hunter View Post
    In 45ACP, the Colt Defender is nice. 22.5oz
    My short 19ll's are 5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    What do you mean by "Hard Ball", "Hard Cast Lead" or, "FMJ"?
    Hard ball is usually referring to FMJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark;[URL="tel:3141808"
    3141808[/URL]]Hard ball is usually referring to FMJ.
    I interpreted that as hard cast lead flatnose. Those do penetrate and take down big game. Used for SD on grizzlies even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    My short 19ll's are 5"
    I am in no way a fan of short barrel handguns, but the Defender is just a work of art. For some reason, under 30 yards it hits anything that anyone aims it at. Just one of those "magic guns" of which I own a few.

    After I bought that, I bought a gorgeous Kimber carry 1911, and the damn thing always patterned shooting high. Upon comparison, the dot on the front sight of the Kimber was too low. They are a quality outfit, and I am sure if I cared to ask them, they would have pointed out some alternative sighting approach... I just sold the damned thing.

    I am with @old dog, even the carry 1911's find a way to drag the belt over the hipbones and are not fun to carry for long. A full size JMB masterpiece, loaded is pushing 3lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    What do you mean by "Hard Ball", "Hard Cast Lead" or, "FMJ"?
    That might be some regional argon thing, where I am from and live Hard Ball is FMJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Hunter View Post
    I am in no way a fan of short barrel handguns, but the Defender is just a work of art. For some reason, under 30 yards it hits anything that anyone aims it at. Just one of those "magic guns" of which I own a few.

    After I bought that, I bought a gorgeous Kimber carry 1911, and the damn thing always patterned shooting high. Upon comparison, the dot on the front sight of the Kimber was too low. They are a quality outfit, and I am sure if I cared to ask them, they would have pointed out some alternative sighting approach... I just sold the damned thing.

    I am with @old dog, even the carry 1911's find a way to drag the belt over the hipbones and are not fun to carry for long. A full size JMB masterpiece, loaded is pushing 3lbs
    I've never had enough ass to really hold my pants up so when I started carrying 1911's and big revolvers I just started wearing heavy duty suspenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Have you ever tried these in a .40?

    I've got some .40 federal "Punch" hollow points. 165 gr. I hope they work. I've got two .40s.

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    Some people still EDC .45? I mean for competition specific purposes and as a range toy they are okay but otherwise makes no sense.

    First, its too akward for EDC, where 9 mm suits the pourpose just fine and even better tbh. Second if in wild country, I wouldn't choose it as my side arm to back up something like a .45-70, I'd do a 10 mm. Much better ballistics.


    Don't get me wrong, the .45 has an important place in firearm history, but so do a lot of other guns that are now dated. it's a 100+ year old design and we've come a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedintheShed View Post
    Some people still EDC .45? I mean for competition specific purposes and as a range toy they are okay but otherwise makes no sense.

    First, its too akward for EDC, where 9 mm suits the pourpose just fine and even better tbh. Second if in wild country, I wouldn't choose it as my side arm to back up something like a .45-70, I'd do a 10 mm. Much better ballistics.


    Don't get me wrong, the .45 has an important place in firearm history, but so do a lot of other guns that are now dated. it's a 100+ year old design and we've come a long way.
    I haven't carried a 1911 for EDC in some time, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry a commander with 230 gr. JHP's. In fact, I did so for a few years. I have two 10mm pistols, one being another commander that I'd be ok with back country carry. The G20 is kind of big, but has a higher capacity. Then there's the 1911 in 9mm which is a joy to shoot. I wouldn't dismiss the 1911 in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineBow View Post
    I haven't carried a 1911 for EDC in some time, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry a commander with 230 gr. JHP's. In fact, I did so for a few years. I have two 10mm pistols, one being another commander that I'd be ok with back country carry. The G20 is kind of big, but has a higher capacity. Then there's the 1911 in 9mm which is a joy to shoot. I wouldn't dismiss the 1911 in any way.
    If you want to carry a 1911 format for the ergonomics, a 10 mm is a ballistically superior round to the .45. But if you don't care about the ergonomics, then the Glock Model 20 or Model 40 (long slide give a bit more accuracy) and is a better choice, and and improvement over them is is the Sig P320 X10.

    For EDC, a 9 mm just makes a lot more sense. My Sig P365 can carry 12-17 rounds (if I went with the max). Size and limited ammo capacity aside I would not trust a stock mid-low grade 1911 in an EDC situation. More reliable modded ones or something like a Dan Wesson would be okay though.
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