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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
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    The CIA began that violence when they trained the far-right extremists to overthrow their government and kill civilians and blame it on the government and the police. [snip]


    That's just quite simply a lie.
    Yet another unsubstantiated assertion -.-.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    The gov't wasn't, "overthrown", the Russian dupe president was lawfully removed by the parliament with a unanimous vote after he sold the country out to the Russians.
    Wrong, on all counts.


    1- The government was, in fact, overthrown, violently. The President made it clear that he fled the country in fear of his life:

    Yanukovich: I fled Ukraine for fear of my life HotAir



    2- The President was -illegally- removed from office. Off Guardian explains:


    **
    Within hours of the storming of the city, the Ukrainian parliament votes to strip Yanukovych of his office by 328 votes to 0, with over 120 MPs absent from the vote. This vote was unconstitional and not a legally binding form of impeachment, in any way.
    **


    Source:

    https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/24/...kraine-crisis/


    3- He didn't sell out to Russia. I believe I remember seeing an interview wherein he said that he decided that joining the E.U. would have been worse than not doing so. The above mentioned Off Guardian article essentially backs this up:


    **
    SEPTEMBER
    The Ukrainian cabinet unanimously approves the draft of the long-awaited Ukraine-EU Association Agreement. Yanokuych is expected to officially sign the agreement at the EU’s “Eastern Partnership Summit” in Vilnius on November 28th and 29th.

    Russia – Ukraine’s major creditor and biggest trade partner – warns that this treaty would “cause chaos”, break the terms of an existing treaty between Ukraine and Russia, and lead to Ukraine’s economy collapsing. As a counteroffer, they suggest Ukraine sign a new deal with the Eurasian Economic Union.
    NOVEMBER
    The Ukrainian government issues a decree suspending preparations for the association agreement (AA). Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Boyko warns the current terms of the agreement would “seriously damage the economy”.



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    "Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    Yet another unsubstantiated assertion -.-.
    I've already provided you the links showing how the violence began in 2014 multiple times so why are you lying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    Wrong, on all counts.


    1- The government was, in fact, overthrown, violently. The President made it clear that he fled the country in fear of his life:

    Yanukovich: I fled Ukraine for fear of my life HotAir



    2- The President was -illegally- removed from office. Off Guardian explains:


    **
    Within hours of the storming of the city, the Ukrainian parliament votes to strip Yanukovych of his office by 328 votes to 0, with over 120 MPs absent from the vote. This vote was unconstitional and not a legally binding form of impeachment, in any way.
    **


    Source:

    https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/24/...kraine-crisis/


    3- He didn't sell out to Russia. I believe I remember seeing an interview wherein he said that he decided that joining the E.U. would have been worse than not doing so. The above mentioned Off Guardian article essentially backs this up:


    **
    SEPTEMBER
    The Ukrainian cabinet unanimously approves the draft of the long-awaited Ukraine-EU Association Agreement. Yanokuych is expected to officially sign the agreement at the EU’s “Eastern Partnership Summit” in Vilnius on November 28th and 29th.

    Russia – Ukraine’s major creditor and biggest trade partner – warns that this treaty would “cause chaos”, break the terms of an existing treaty between Ukraine and Russia, and lead to Ukraine’s economy collapsing. As a counteroffer, they suggest Ukraine sign a new deal with the Eurasian Economic Union.
    NOVEMBER
    The Ukrainian government issues a decree suspending preparations for the association agreement (AA). Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Boyko warns the current terms of the agreement would “seriously damage the economy”.



    **
    He was thrown out by a unanimous vote of parliament for selling the country out to Russia after promising instead to lead the way to EU membership.

    Off Guardian is a conspiracy nut and kook cite founded by people banned from posting on The Guardian's Website. Why do you always flock to such cites as source material when clearly they have no credibility at all?
    Last edited by Wildrose; 06-24-2022 at 10:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    He was thrown out by a unanimous vote of parliament for selling the country out to Russia after promising instead to lead the way to EU membership.

    Off Guardian is a conspiracy nut and kook cite founded by people banned from posting on The Guardian's Website. Why do you always flock to such cites as source material when clearly they have no credibility at all?
    You've been drinking pure Soros water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    I've already provided you the links showing how the violence began in 2014 multiple times so why are you lying?

    No one is saying violence didn't begin in 2014. What I and others are saying here is that it began with some of the protesters. From Off Guardian's article on Euromaidan:

    **
    DECEMBER
    1/12/2013 – Thousands of protesters chanting “revolution” storm the metal barriers erected by riot police. Protesters throw Molotov cocktails:


    AFP News Agency on Twitter:


    The police withdraw from the square. Over 200 people are injured, including over 100 police officers.
    **


    Source:
    https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/24/...kraine-crisis/



    That's only the beginning. The most deadly day was February 20, 2014:

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    20/2/2014 – Snipers open fire on the crowd in Maidan Square, resulting in at least sixty deaths. Both protesters and police officers are killed in the gunfire. EuroNews reports that the “truce is shattered” mere hours after it was signed.


    **


    There is a lot of controversy as to who shot the protesters and police officers. It stands to reason that police officers wouldn't be shooting themselves. So then, who? There are several good articles on this. Here's one:

    REPORT: The Real Ukrainian “Snipers’ Massacre”, 20 February 2014 | gordonhahn.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    Wrong, on all counts.


    1- The government was, in fact, overthrown, violently. The President made it clear that he fled the country in fear of his life:

    Yanukovich: I fled Ukraine for fear of my life HotAir



    2- The President was -illegally- removed from office. Off Guardian explains:


    **
    Within hours of the storming of the city, the Ukrainian parliament votes to strip Yanukovych of his office by 328 votes to 0, with over 120 MPs absent from the vote. This vote was unconstitional and not a legally binding form of impeachment, in any way.
    **


    Source:

    https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/24/...kraine-crisis/


    3- He didn't sell out to Russia. I believe I remember seeing an interview wherein he said that he decided that joining the E.U. would have been worse than not doing so. The above mentioned Off Guardian article essentially backs this up:


    **
    SEPTEMBER
    The Ukrainian cabinet unanimously approves the draft of the long-awaited Ukraine-EU Association Agreement. Yanokuych is expected to officially sign the agreement at the EU’s “Eastern Partnership Summit” in Vilnius on November 28th and 29th.

    Russia – Ukraine’s major creditor and biggest trade partner – warns that this treaty would “cause chaos”, break the terms of an existing treaty between Ukraine and Russia, and lead to Ukraine’s economy collapsing. As a counteroffer, they suggest Ukraine sign a new deal with the Eurasian Economic Union.
    NOVEMBER
    The Ukrainian government issues a decree suspending preparations for the association agreement (AA). Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Boyko warns the current terms of the agreement would “seriously damage the economy”.



    **

    He was thrown out by a unanimous vote of parliament for selling the country out to Russia after promising instead to lead the way to EU membership.

    I quote excerpts from a well researched article, rebutting all of your points and all you do is say that it's wrong and insult the publisher of the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    You've been drinking pure Soros water.
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    Changing the subject.

    Rude! Rude! Rude!
    Marxists, Socialists, Democrats, Russians, and the legacy media.

    They lie all the time. They lie about everything.

    They know they are lying. We know they are lying. They know we know they are lying.

    They lie anyway. It's what they do.

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    We certainly don't get accurate reporting from Russia propaganda outlets like RT.com (or Pravda 2.0 if you like)
    Marxists, Socialists, Democrats, Russians, and the legacy media.

    They lie all the time. They lie about everything.

    They know they are lying. We know they are lying. They know we know they are lying.

    They lie anyway. It's what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Taxcutter says:

    Changing the subject.

    Rude! Rude! Rude!
    You have an elementary understanding of the subject. The subject is "accurate reporting". In that subject, the source of reported information is certainly a valid topic. My post challenged the source, which ..... if it comes from any of the MSM or other NWO agencies .... is derived from information that Soros approves as suitable.


    But your attempt to delegitimize my posts is noted.
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