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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    It isn't so much what people say, it is rather why do they say it.

    Evidence is so important in courts of law and in all other decisions that we embrace. Facts are facts and evidence leads to discloser of them. Widely held opinions serve only as a cloak to hide the truth under. And they are defended as a right by many if not most people.

    The Constitution omitted the right to be stupid as one of the Bill of Rights. That right is seemingly covered by Amendment One, which includes several rights. However, evidence is not mentioned as necessary in forming an opinion or making a claim.

    Biden is bad for America. Look at the evidence, of his record, his corruption, his speech, and what he has accomplished by dishonestly assuming the presidency. Contrast it with what Trump accomplished. Yet some people are of the opinion that Biden good, Trump bad.

    It is embarrassing to read such mindless and stupid statements from people. And this guy had more votes than anyone in history? If that is a fact, then America is finished. Not only is it finished, it deserves to be finished with that many stupid people wandering around lost in a fog of insensibility.

    God help us. Save us from our own stupidity.
    I cannot think of anyone here who supports Biden/bidet OR voted for him. We all watched election night when they shut down for FOUR HOURS and covered up the windows. We all saw 400,000 votes for Trump and miraculously those votes disappeared. Biden was NOT elected.
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    Oddly enough I am acquainted with a number of people who steadfastly support the likes of Biden over Trump. Some post on this forum. What binds them apparently is that they align their thoughts with the democrat party above all, and facts do not matter.

    Cherished beliefs are held tightly in the minds of people. Being wrong and corrected by facts is hostile to those who flatly refuse to consider them honestly. Anger results in verbal wars. I know this, I have participated in some.

    Something as enormously huge and even infinite as the universe cannot be limited to some grand theory, leading always to more theories even more grand, as to how it began or why it is there. The evidence of it, and it encompasses everything that is in it, including life and the relative shortness of it, demands something to justify the existence of it. And we have no idea as to how large it is, so how does one explain that fact? With reason?

    Once again, I like science. I take issue when things are shoved down throats simply because it is deemed 'scientific'. It is not science. It is not conclusive. It is opinion.

    I am not defending religiosity over scientific study. We have the Constitutional right to speak freely, and I get that. This forum has rules of conduct, and I get that too. Pursuing the truth is not on the menu. Arguments result from minds that are hostile to that pursuit.

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    I look at it this way and it's only my personal philosophical opinion.

    Science and math are man's creation. Math is man's attempt to explain physics and science is man's attempt to manipulate physics. Physics is natural (I fondly think of it as God's toolbox).

    Case in point, mizzzz science, Dr. Birx admitted yesterday in testimony to Jim Jordan, that they knew the vaccines didn't work after 4 months. They didn't tell the public. There's science for you.

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    And that example is not science at all. It is a scientific community withholding knowledge from the public that it claims to represent......and to protect.

    So why did they pretend that it did? Partly because it was profitable. And to disclose the truth about it was anathema to profitability. Not only that but upfront big money was paid to come up with the shot, or two, or three. Revealing the truth would be one hell of an embarrassment, and could have resulted in an indictable offense if the facts were disclosed.

    That said, my opinion is that entire pandemic was designed in the lab and let loose to destroy an American administration that was calling out China and friends, and this could not be allowed to continue. Trump had to go by hook or crook. And the crook part was the ace palmed off to the democrat party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    Oddly enough I am acquainted with a number of people who steadfastly support the likes of Biden over Trump. Some post on this forum. What binds them apparently is that they align their thoughts with the democrat party above all, and facts do not matter.

    Cherished beliefs are held tightly in the minds of people. Being wrong and corrected by facts is hostile to those who flatly refuse to consider them honestly. Anger results in verbal wars. I know this, I have participated in some.

    Something as enormously huge and even infinite as the universe cannot be limited to some grand theory, leading always to more theories even more grand, as to how it began or why it is there. The evidence of it, and it encompasses everything that is in it, including life and the relative shortness of it, demands something to justify the existence of it. And we have no idea as to how large it is, so how does one explain that fact? With reason?

    Once again, I like science. I take issue when things are shoved down throats simply because it is deemed 'scientific'. It is not science. It is not conclusive. It is opinion.

    I am not defending religiosity over scientific study. We have the Constitutional right to speak freely, and I get that. This forum has rules of conduct, and I get that too. Pursuing the truth is not on the menu. Arguments result from minds that are hostile to that pursuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    And that example is not science
    Yes it is. Science is a business. Dr. Fauci said "I am science".
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    It sure is. A business funded by the taxpayer through Federal grants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinnity View Post
    I look at it this way and it's only my personal philosophical opinion.

    Science and math are man's creation. Math is man's attempt to explain physics and science is man's attempt to manipulate physics. Physics is natural (I fondly think of it as God's toolbox).

    Case in point, mizzzz science, Dr. Birx admitted yesterday in testimony to Jim Jordan, that they knew the vaccines didn't work after 4 months. They didn't tell the public. There's science for you.

    /pfft~

    complete bollox, ill post an explanation, as an exception to my new rule.

    Maths existed the moment the Universe was born, 26 fixed parameters defined by mathematical relationships, such as the speed of light. But we have no idea what fixed these parameters to the values they are at the moment of the Big Bang. Just because it took us 13B years to figure them out, doesnt mean they didnt exist until then. If you do then you are making the same mistake as the child that thinks its invisible when it closes its eyes.

    In physics, we're more concerned with constants that have no units or dimensions — in other words, constants that appear in our physical theories that are just plain numbers. These appear much more fundamental, because they don't depend on any other definition. Another way of saying it is that, if we were to meet some alien civilization, we would have no way of understanding their measurement of the speed of light, but when it comes to dimensionless constants, we can all agree. They're just numbers. 1+1=2 is true whether you're an amoeba or a human, and are on Earth or Omicron Persie 8.

    One such number is known as the fine structure constant, which is a combination of the speed of light, Planck's constant, and something known as the permittivity of free space. Its value is approximately 0.007. 0.007 what? Just 0.007. Like I said, it's just a number.

    So on one hand, the speed of light can be whatever it wants to be, because it has units and we need to define the units. But on the other hand, the speed of light can't be anything other than exactly what it is, in our universe, because if you were to change the speed of light, you would change the fine structure constant, and if you changed the fine structure constant, matter wouldnt exist, because in our universe the fine-structure constant gives the maximum positive charge of an atomic nucleus that will allow a stable electron-orbit around it within the Bohr model (element feynmanium). But our universe has chosen the fine structure constant to be approximately 0.007, and nothing else, and that was true long before anything in the universe could add two numbers together and figure it out.

    The maths existed from the first zetasecond of the Big Bang. Science is just the method we used to discover stuff like this 13 billion years later.
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    Math is a language. It describes the universe. If UKSp is correct that it existed as soon as the universe came into being, that actually is a strike against his general worldview.

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    Math is a language. It is man's language to describe physics. Lots of math in physics. It didn't exist until man began created it for his needs.




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