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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolltide View Post
    Do you even understand the purpose of this thread? Trump is not electable. Your opinion does not change that. And how in the hell can you say Trump has nothing to do with Jan 6th? They were his supporters. People will always tie them together whether it is fair or not.

    Trump will be less mentally fit to be president for 4 years at age 78 than at age 70. That is common sense.
    I guess the question is do you understand it?

    You’re making the claim he’s unelectable. I disagree. I think he is.

    Youre making a claim he is mentally unfit. I he’s he’s mentally fit. Your example shows nothing. At 78 he’s probably more mentally fit than most. I can’t prove that. You can’t disprove it.

    Until there’s a legitimate mental fitness test and a change to our constitution you can’t even say he’s unelectable as you don’t speak for everyone.

    I didn’t say he didn’t have anything to do with January 6th. He got up that day. He gave a speech that day. But you have nothing that proves he is responsible for every bad thing that happened that day. If you did you would be rubbing it in everyone’s face. You simply do not.

    Might I make a suggestion? Try actually reading what is posted. It may help you. Because I was pretty clear on what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milt View Post
    I guess the question is do you understand it?

    You’re making the claim he’s unelectable. I disagree. I think he is.

    Youre making a claim he is mentally unfit. I he’s he’s mentally fit. Your example shows nothing. At 78 he’s probably more mentally fit than most. I can’t prove that. You can’t disprove it.

    Until there’s a legitimate mental fitness test and a change to our constitution you can’t even say he’s unelectable as you don’t speak for everyone.

    I didn’t say he didn’t have anything to do with January 6th. He got up that day. He gave a speech that day. But you have nothing that proves he is responsible for every bad thing that happened that day. If you did you would be rubbing it in everyone’s face. You simply do not.

    Might I make a suggestion? Try actually reading what is posted. It may help you. Because I was pretty clear on what I said.
    Where did I say he is mentally unfit? This is the USA I want the most fit person as president. Very few 78 year olds would be the most fit.

    Nothing I have written has a damn thing to do with constitutionality. Why do you keep saying that? I never made any argument about constitutionality of anything. You are the one who cannot read.

    To the majority of Americans he is connected to Jan 6th why can't you understand that? He cannot escape that and for that reason and many many more he probably would not win in 2024 but if you do not mind Kamala as president go right ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolltide View Post
    Biden is currently polling at 33%. 33% favorable 57% unfavorable. Seems like America gets it. They are rejecting his fascist agenda and they are rejecting him because he is incompetent.

    Too little too late they had the opportunity to reject him in Nov 2020 and I sure did when I voted for Trump. So what does that say about how the American people think of Trump that he lost to this pos?

    I do not want to debate the election. Start another thread. I'm taking the election data at face value. I know there was fraud and bullcrap that went on the dems cheat.

    Trump lost white middle class voters from 2016 to 2020. He failed to get enough of the Gary Johnson voters from 2016. I'll write a post about that. I'm the only person that I'm aware of that talked about the Gary Johnson voters.

    With Trump losing middle of the road white voters and the fallout from Jan 6th I just do not see how he is viable for 2024. He lost reelection to a man in a vegetative state.
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    "They are rejecting his fascist agenda and they are rejecting him because he is incompetent."

    I got this far, this comment is a product of a right wing partisan hack. I will read and laugh at the inability to have posted probative evidence to support President Biden's agenda is based on fascism or that he is incompetent.

    It is the same **** which would have been posted on the Internet if any Democrat has been elected: ad hominems, defamation and lacking substance, thoughtful and not thought provoking.
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    I'm going to go real slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww on this.

    In my personal opinion as a nurse for over 30 years a person who is almost 80 should not be president. I could give a damn if there is nothing in the constitution against it.

    It is not an easy job and the fake media has already tried to portray Trump as senile and wanted his cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment.

    We have already seen with Reagan how a president can enter office fairly sharp and decline over the his time in office. Reagan left office at the age Trump would be entering office in 2025.

    We already have one potato in there we do not need another mentally compromised president.

    I have already given numerous reasons why Trump is politically impaired too much to be a good candidate for 2024.

    The way he motivates and energizes the left.
    The way he motivates and energizes super powerful people to want to destroy him.
    The way he says things without thinking.
    His horrible performance in 2020 with independent voters.
    His candidacy would sharply divide the republican party.
    The FACT he will always be negatively associated with Jan 6th.
    And in my opinion his advanced age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSry Catcher View Post
    "They are rejecting his fascist agenda and they are rejecting him because he is incompetent."

    I got this far, this comment is a product of a right wing partisan hack. I will read and laugh at the inability to have posted probative evidence to support President Biden's agenda is based on fascism or that he is incompetent.

    It is the same **** which would have been posted on the Internet if any Democrat has been elected: ad hominems, defamation and lacking substance, thoughtful and not thought provoking.
    The agenda of Joe Biden is fascist. They want to paint ANY AND ALL political opposition as domestic terrorism. They have weaponized the dept of justice to intimidate people on the right and suppress speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolltide View Post
    Where did I say he is mentally unfit? This is the USA I want the most fit person as president. Very few 78 year olds would be the most fit.

    Nothing I have written has a damn thing to do with constitutionality. Why do you keep saying that? I never made any argument about constitutionality of anything. You are the one who cannot read.

    To the majority of Americans he is connected to Jan 6th why can't you understand that? He cannot escape that and for that reason and many many more he probably would not win in 2024 but if you do not mind Kamala as president go right ahead.
    We will never agree which age group is the most mentally fit. It’s already limited to 35 and up. However even within that range there’s a disparity of who is fit. It’s also subjective and opinion at best. You made a claim that age and the decline of mental fitness go hand in hand. Not exact words but I can find the 70-78 reference and mental acuity declining. However that doesn’t hold true for everyone and at the same. Rate. I have a friend who is almost 100 and his mental acuity is not lacking one bit.

    The constitution comes into play because you keep going on about mental fitness. How do you judge it? With a test is the obvious answer. And if they refuse a test you can’t force it as it’s not required. Secondly refer to the first point. It’s all subjective and opinion. I see Trump as mentally fit as anyone else. Course I see him way out in front of you. So if that’s the case who gives you the right to be the decider of who is fit?

    Put him up for election and key us decide. After all if everyone believes as you no one votes for him. My guess is that would not be true.

    I’d ask you for proof the majority of Americans believe he is tied to Jan 6th but I know you don’t have any. That’s a loaded question depending on how it’s asked in the first place. Just because the major outlets keep pushing the nonsense of that story doesn’t mean the majority buy into it. Show us the proof if you have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolltide View Post
    Biden is currently polling at 33%. 33% favorable 57% unfavorable. Seems like America gets it. They are rejecting his fascist agenda and they are rejecting him because he is incompetent.

    Too little too late they had the opportunity to reject him in Nov 2020 and I sure did when I voted for Trump. So what does that say about how the American people think of Trump that he lost to this pos?

    I do not want to debate the election. Start another thread. I'm taking the election data at face value. I know there was fraud and bullcrap that went on the dems cheat.

    Trump lost white middle class voters from 2016 to 2020. He failed to get enough of the Gary Johnson voters from 2016. I'll write a post about that. I'm the only person that I'm aware of that talked about the Gary Johnson voters.

    With Trump losing middle of the road white voters and the fallout from Jan 6th I just do not see how he is viable for 2024. He lost reelection to a man in a vegetative state.
    Trump is the one candidate who just might get Biden reelected due to backlash.

    Biden's numbers look great for republicans as long as republicans are smart about the candidates they run.

    Unfortunately Trump is the most divisive figure we've had in US Politics since the Dem/Dixiecrat split of the last century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolltide View Post
    These should be the goals for groups in 2022 and beyond. Republicans.

    Independents-50%. Trump failed with this group. He went from 46% to 41%. That cannot improve after Jan 6th. This is why it is so stupid to brand people as RINOS. Independents are turned off by rigid ideologues. In 2012 Romney did better than Obama by 5 points with this group 50% to 45%. That is how it should be.

    Hispanics-40%. Republicans have failed with this growing group. Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 and it has been down hill ever since. Trump did better with Hispanics in 2020 than 2016 but does anybody honestly think Trump can ever get more than 1/3 of that vote?

    Blacks-11%. Nothing wrong with trying to get more black votes but this is about as good as it gets.

    Asians-40%. Again it was Bush in 2004 who did better with this group. 43%. Asians have traditional values and make more money than white people. Republicans need to do better. Trump only got 34% and that is not likely to improve.
    Without winning Independents by at least five to ten percent republicans will have a very hard time ever regaining the WH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    Gary Johnson voters?

    Tell us how puppet Biden managed 81 millon votes when he barely campaigned or came out of his basement. Yet Trump was packing venues throughout the country.


    Because as stated, people weren't voting "For Biden" they largely voted "Against Trump".

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