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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrose View Post
    Unfortunately there are denominations that preach just that. Nobody gets into Heaven but them, according to "them".
    From a purely intellectual standpoint, I can understand their position--those who have not correctly followed the Plan of Salvation are not really Christians--but I do find this view rather sanctimonious, and therefore offensive.

    Note: In the mid-nineteenth century, in America, there was actually a serious debate, in theological circles, as to whether having Jesus in one's heart or correctly following the Plan of Salvation was more important, as concerning the matter of obtaining salvation. (The split continues today.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I would say that a "real" Christian is a serious follower of the teachings of Jesus, and the New Testament writers.

    Does that seem reasonable to you?
    I think it's all silliness and "real" Christians are anyone who wants to be. Garner Ted Armstrong was big on the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament although he was a bit hung up on Revelations. Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Peter Popoff, and Al Sharpton, Christians all. Embrace them.
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    ^ none of those men you mentioned are not above reproach.... and all of them live in open sin to this day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I think it's all silliness and "real" Christians are anyone who wants to be.
    I would say that "real" Christians are those people who follow closely in the footsteps of Jesus--not merely those who can get TV pulpits, and vociferously spout platitudes.

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    Garner Ted Armstrong was big on the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament although he was a bit hung up on Revelations. Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Peter Popoff, and Al Sharpton, Christians all. Embrace them.
    I am not at all familiar with Peter Popoff.

    As for the others, they were happy to line their own pockets, using Christianity as a tool.

    (In fact, some even proclaimed the "prosperity gospel"; why, the more money that people gave to them, the more they would be blessed, monetarily, by God.)

    It is hardly a new thing--or even a twentieth-century (or later) thing--for unscrupulous people to be using Christianity to scam others.

    Oh, it is really a small thing; but I do become a bit annoyed whenever someone refers to the final book of the New Testament as "Revelations." There is simply no such book. (That is because it has no "S" on the end.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I would say that a "real" Christian is a serious follower of the teachings of Jesus, and the New Testament writers.

    Does that seem reasonable to you?

    Maybe. I would say a real Christian is one who follows Jesus & has a continual growing relationship with Him. Part that includes His Word which are effectively a kind of Will/Testament. The Old & New Testament. And someone who imitates Jesus, does what He commissioned us to do. Though there is forgiveness when we miss the mark. And we do miss the mark.
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    “But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,”Titus 3:4-5
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