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    Wounded Perp Takes Shotgun from Homeowner In Struggle After Being Shot

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    Wounded Suspect Takes Shotgun from Homeowner During Struggle After Being Shot
    By Mark Ehlen
    Texas is the only state that allows the use of deadly force to protect property but that doesn’t mean that it’s ever a good idea to do so.
    A Camp County man heard some noise outside his home about 4:40 AM and upon investigation saw a man trying to break into his shed. He got his shotgun and went to confront the would-be burglar.
    According to the Camp County Sheriff, “He shot the intruder. However, the man got up and they then struggled for the gun. The suspect was shot again before he managed to take the gun and flee.” – via KLTV
    The suspect was later found at a local hospital.
    First of all, never use deadly force to try to protect property. Even in Texas, the legal, and in this case also the physical, risks are just too great. Whatever the suspect could have taken out of this man’s shed would be worth nowhere near what his legal fees could be if he ends up charged with a crime. And that stuff certainly wouldn’t be worth his life.


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    "One shot, one kill" is always predicated on just where that one shot is placed... not to mention the role adrenaline and determination plays, just look at what posthumous Medal of Honor recipients have accomplished while sustaining fatal wounds.
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    Maybe birdshot? 410?

    The Texas law will be a deterrent to some potential perps. The ones who aren't deterred NEED shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claws View Post
    "One shot, one kill" is always predicated on just where that one shot is placed... not to mention the role adrenaline and determination plays, just look at what posthumous Medal of Honor recipients have accomplished while sustaining fatal wounds.
    A well-placed shot from a .22 LR or .25 ACP may be more effective than a less well-placed shot from a "hand cannon" (.45 ACP, 10 mm, etc.). Not that shot placement is a trivial matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    Maybe birdshot? 410?

    The Texas law will be a deterrent to some potential perps. The ones who aren't deterred NEED shooting.
    thats what i'm thinking....410 birdshot...



    you hit the same place with .12 ga buckshot and its a "hole" different story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
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    The one shot on kill shotgun myth is busted again.
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    Wounded Suspect Takes Shotgun from Homeowner During Struggle After Being Shot
    By Mark Ehlen
    Texas is the only state that allows the use of deadly force to protect property but that doesn’t mean that it’s ever a good idea to do so.
    A Camp County man heard some noise outside his home about 4:40 AM and upon investigation saw a man trying to break into his shed. He got his shotgun and went to confront the would-be burglar.
    According to the Camp County Sheriff, “He shot the intruder. However, the man got up and they then struggled for the gun. The suspect was shot again before he managed to take the gun and flee.” – via KLTV
    The suspect was later found at a local hospital.
    First of all, never use deadly force to try to protect property. Even in Texas, the legal, and in this case also the physical, risks are just too great. Whatever the suspect could have taken out of this man’s shed would be worth nowhere near what his legal fees could be if he ends up charged with a crime. And that stuff certainly wouldn’t be worth his life.


    https://www.usacarry.com/burglar-tak...gun-homeowner/
    An extremely rare occurance.

    The error here was in getting to close contact distance from the downed/injured guy such that he was able to get his hands on the gun.

    If you're going to shoot, shoot till the threat is eliminated and keep a good stance away from them until you have help to establish they are "done".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post
    thats what i'm thinking....410 birdshot...



    you hit the same place with .12 ga buckshot and its a "hole" different story...
    That depends entirely on the range to the target and choke being used. It also depends greatly on the load. 5/8oz of number 9 will not have much effect on a human beyond about 7 yards but it will blow a baseball sized hole through the torso at 6 feet.

    A quick stop depends on interrupting the CNS or bringing the blood pressure to Zero within a second or two. There's lots of ways to accomplish that.

    00 Buck isn't a miracle cure and it has it's own set of drawbacks such as overpenetration.


    #'s 1, 2, 5, 6, even 7.5 can be extremely deadly at up to thirty yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traddles View Post
    A well-placed shot from a .22 LR or .25 ACP may be more effective than a less well-placed shot from a "hand cannon" (.45 ACP, 10 mm, etc.). Not that shot placement is a trivial matter.
    The smaller and lesser the energy delivered to the target the more precise the hit must be. Precision is extremely hard to achieve under stress in a dynamic environment.

    Those are not reliable self defense calibers but, if that's all one can handle it's probably better than a screwdriver or baseball bat.
    Last edited by Wildrose; 12-06-2021 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old dog View Post
    Maybe birdshot? 410?

    The Texas law will be a deterrent to some potential perps. The ones who aren't deterred NEED shooting.
    The presumption under Texas law is that everyone is armed at night since it's really hard to tell in the dark.

    Sometimes your property is worth a life, especially to the poor who have little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claws View Post
    "One shot, one kill" is always predicated on just where that one shot is placed... not to mention the role adrenaline and determination plays, just look at what posthumous Medal of Honor recipients have accomplished while sustaining fatal wounds.
    Lots of wounds are fatal if not treated in the first few minutes after they are sustained but great things can be done in many cases before one's blood pressure hits zero.

    Interrupt the CNS though or cause a wound that brings the blood pressure immediately to zero and no amount of adrenaline can keep you going.

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