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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    Biden actually did win the election. He was elected by the Electoral College and their vote was certified by the Senate. That the choosing of those electors was fraudulent is wrong, but irrelevent. This was an elegant theft.
    Unfortunately true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceander View Post
    Prove that it wasn't. The Constitution provides that the President is elected by the Electoral College, and that selection of the electors for the Electoral College is at the discretion of the states. In particular, the Constitution does not mandate that the electors be chosen by popular vote - a state could decide to have the electors chosen by appointment by the state legislature alone.

    The states then certified, as per the requirement in the Constitution, that their electors had been chosen, and those electors then met in the Electoral College to vote on the President and Vice President. That election was then itself certified.

    The fact that the state elections were rife with fraud does not gainsay any of the procedure that is set forth in the Constitution itself. Accordingly, we are still operating under the Constitution.
    5 States sent both Trump & Biden electors to the Senate with a letter that said they had discovered numerous issues that could render their certification illegal, each of these States asked for 10 days to investigate the issues before the Senate chose which set of Electors from their State would be certified.

    The Senate had 2 Constitutional choices at that point, ignore those 5 States and recalculate the Electors needed to win based on 50 percent plus one of the other 45 States to certify the election on time or grant the delay so those 5 States could have a chance to legally certify a winner.

    The Senate chose a 3rd option which was unconstitutional, they certified all 50 States knowing full well that 5 of those State Legislatures had told them that their prior certification was not legal or valid.

    Each State Legislature has the Constitutional authority to regulate their Federal elections and award their Electors by whatever means they decide, if those Legislatures become aware that their rules and legal requirements have been violated to a degree that likely effected the outcome it is their duty to fix it.

    It is the duty of the Senate to evaluate whether each State has acted with integrity regarding the Federal election before certifying a winner; they were flat out told that the results were unreliable and they chose to certify anyway.

    There is no amount of spin that can call Biden's Presidency "Constitutional" or "legal", it required a complete collapse of Constitutional authority to inaugurate that Insurgent piece of garbage and he is NOT the President of the United States.

    Trump isn't either due to the same fraud rendering those States unable to certify but the Constitutional path would have been forget the 5 or grant the delay, if the Senate couldn't stomach either option then the recourse is to throw the election to the House of Representatives; not certify fraud.

    None of the Constitutional options occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RET423 View Post
    5 States sent both Trump & Biden electors to the Senate with a letter that said they had discovered numerous issues that could render their certification illegal, each of these States asked for 10 days to investigate the issues before the Senate chose which set of Electors from their State would be certified.

    The Senate had 2 Constitutional choices at that point, ignore those 5 States and recalculate the Electors needed to win based on 50 percent plus one of the other 45 States to certify the election on time or grant the delay so those 5 States could have a chance to legally certify a winner.

    The Senate chose a 3rd option which was unconstitutional, they certified all 50 States knowing full well that 5 of those State Legislatures had told them that their prior certification was not legal or valid.

    Each State Legislature has the Constitutional authority to regulate their Federal elections and award their Electors by whatever means they decide, if those Legislatures become aware that their rules and legal requirements have been violated to a degree that likely effected the outcome it is their duty to fix it.

    It is the duty of the Senate to evaluate whether each State has acted with integrity regarding the Federal election before certifying a winner; they were flat out told that the results were unreliable and they chose to certify anyway.

    There is no amount of spin that can call Biden's Presidency "Constitutional" or "legal", it required a complete collapse of Constitutional authority to inaugurate that Insurgent piece of garbage and he is NOT the President of the United States.

    Trump isn't either due to the same fraud rendering those States unable to certify but the Constitutional path would have been forget the 5 or grant the delay, if the Senate couldn't stomach either option then the recourse is to throw the election to the House of Representatives; not certify fraud.

    None of the Constitutional options occurred.
    Our Constitution collapsed and was rendered invalid the day Joe Biden was allowed to be POTUS. There are some (obviously) who choose to spin it some other way and demand that we obey the Constitution now.... but it's gone. There are signs that we will never get our Constitution or our Republic back , especially if there are people who actually accept the spin that Biden was elected since the Electoral College and Senate allowed it to happen.

    It's shameful.




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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchool View Post
    "the civilized way" only happens during times of war. Of course it's not actually civilized, it's just recognized as acceptable. "that" time is coming.

    There’s a female celebrity in the UK who is advocating wartime rationing.

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    I truly am reluctant to use the word 'stupid' to categorize what was allowed to transpire resulting in the 'coronation' of Biden/Harris positioning them as the 'chief leaders of the Free World.' Try not to cynically laugh your butt off at that one. If stupid means " Dullness of Mind" then it is astonishing just how dull minds can get.

    To place these people in office and grant them the authority to govern your life was not an act of brilliance in intellect, was it? I suppose so, if soaring prices and empty shelves are examples of good policy and if corruption is a desirable gift that folks lust after. Our enemies enjoy a good giggle at this great accomplishment while our allies shake their heads in amazement at how far we have fallen.

    And the longer this condition goes on the deeper into the pit we descend. Until we are no more.

    That, folks, is where we are going. And if Nancy Pelosi, Justice (don't laugh) Roberts, and a host of other derelicts think that they themselves are immune from the effect of our national demise, then their minds are far beyond dullness. They have lost them altogether.

    We will all truly reap what we have sown. Doing nothing is not an option. Failure is guaranteed by that choice. One hunnert percent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RET423 View Post
    5 States sent both Trump & Biden electors to the Senate with a letter that said they had discovered numerous issues that could render their certification illegal, each of these States asked for 10 days to investigate the issues before the Senate chose which set of Electors from their State would be certified.

    The Senate had 2 Constitutional choices at that point, ignore those 5 States and recalculate the Electors needed to win based on 50 percent plus one of the other 45 States to certify the election on time or grant the delay so those 5 States could have a chance to legally certify a winner.

    The Senate chose a 3rd option which was unconstitutional, they certified all 50 States knowing full well that 5 of those State Legislatures had told them that their prior certification was not legal or valid.

    Each State Legislature has the Constitutional authority to regulate their Federal elections and award their Electors by whatever means they decide, if those Legislatures become aware that their rules and legal requirements have been violated to a degree that likely effected the outcome it is their duty to fix it.

    It is the duty of the Senate to evaluate whether each State has acted with integrity regarding the Federal election before certifying a winner; they were flat out told that the results were unreliable and they chose to certify anyway.

    There is no amount of spin that can call Biden's Presidency "Constitutional" or "legal", it required a complete collapse of Constitutional authority to inaugurate that Insurgent piece of garbage and he is NOT the President of the United States.

    Trump isn't either due to the same fraud rendering those States unable to certify but the Constitutional path would have been forget the 5 or grant the delay, if the Senate couldn't stomach either option then the recourse is to throw the election to the House of Representatives; not certify fraud.

    None of the Constitutional options occurred.
    Nonsense.

    Have you lifted one finger to start fixing election integrity at the state level? Are you running for state office? Are you badgering your state legislature? Are you organizing fellow citizens who feel the same as you? Are you out there explaining why, contra the lies from the democrats, election integrity is not about racism or disenfranchising black citizens, but making sure that everyone's legitimate vote counts legitimately?

    No, I didn't think so. You're just another armchair apocalyptic, moaning about the impending apocalypse from your comfortable desk, and doing nothing of any actual value to fix things.
    So let us stop talkin' falsely now
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    Please inform me sir how you know someone, as you put it, is nothing more than " another armchair apocalyptic, moaning about the impending apocalypse from their comfortable desk, and doing nothing of any value to fix things." How do you know?

    I am asking honestly. And what is it that needs fixing, according to you? And how is it to be fixed?

    Thank you.

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    My post is directed at you, Oceander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RET423 View Post
    5 States sent both Trump & Biden electors to the Senate with a letter that said they had discovered numerous issues that could render their certification illegal, each of these States asked for 10 days to investigate the issues before the Senate chose which set of Electors from their State would be certified.

    The Senate had 2 Constitutional choices at that point, ignore those 5 States and recalculate the Electors needed to win based on 50 percent plus one of the other 45 States to certify the election on time or grant the delay so those 5 States could have a chance to legally certify a winner.

    The Senate chose a 3rd option which was unconstitutional, they certified all 50 States knowing full well that 5 of those State Legislatures had told them that their prior certification was not legal or valid.

    Each State Legislature has the Constitutional authority to regulate their Federal elections and award their Electors by whatever means they decide, if those Legislatures become aware that their rules and legal requirements have been violated to a degree that likely effected the outcome it is their duty to fix it.

    It is the duty of the Senate to evaluate whether each State has acted with integrity regarding the Federal election before certifying a winner; they were flat out told that the results were unreliable and they chose to certify anyway.

    There is no amount of spin that can call Biden's Presidency "Constitutional" or "legal", it required a complete collapse of Constitutional authority to inaugurate that Insurgent piece of garbage and he is NOT the President of the United States.

    Trump isn't either due to the same fraud rendering those States unable to certify but the Constitutional path would have been forget the 5 or grant the delay, if the Senate couldn't stomach either option then the recourse is to throw the election to the House of Representatives; not certify fraud.

    None of the Constitutional options occurred.
    The Constitution draws hard, very specific timelines. There was no legal or constitutional way to delay the voting of the EC or the certification of their votes.

    The only thing that could have been done would be for all of the electors from the affected states to refuse to be seated or to vote.

    The vote would then proceed without their participation and again, you end up with the same result.

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    Read the PURPOSE statement of the Constitution prior to weighing in on any article or section. It is commonly called the Preamble. If one would read it then one can certainly see why the document was written.

    The coronation of Biden was not in accordance with the Constitution. The Electors were Constitutionally wrong in their "certification" of a fraud. WRONG. That is the point. And everybody knows it if they are honestly appraising what transpired.

    Only a democrat or a phony conservative would pretend that the Constitution, the Law of the Land, would support such an obvious criminal derelict, taking seat by an obviously rigged and fraudulent election, as a legitimate president. It is not true, it is not factual, and it damn sure is not in the best interest of the American people.

    There is no legal, lawful, or Constitutional maneuver allowing this kind of selection to supersede the purpose of an election process expressed in the Constitution.

    And, to put an exclamation point on the matter, just look at the fruit resulting from this ridiculous "constitutional" president. Does anybody with any sense at all think that any of it is good? Apparently some think horrible is acceptable, and that evil is lawful. Here is some news for you. It is Not.

    Biden is the result. The means are nothing to people like him. The Constitution is a comic book to be used only to his advantage. He does not abide by the Constitution at all. He mentions it only when he thinks it favorable to him.

    And people claim that He is Constitutional? That is Sick.

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