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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    The real issue is always behind the issue. If the PCR test was a Star trek phaser the Flu test is set to stun and the COVID test beyond kill to ... vaporize. Two resons for that
    1) Not to miss cases through false negitive
    2) To pad the stats
    I personally believe the issue is far deeper than Covid tests giving a few false positives. I think a really good article on this is here:

    COVID19 – Evidence Of Global Fraud | Off Guardian
    "Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."

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    thats why my doctor advised me NOT to take the vaccine.

    he's my doctor, i trust/believe him...


    lil joey biden?

    not so much...
    "The nose, knows"

    "Negros were like animals and they turned the streets into jungles”
    joe biden.


    Covid=$
    "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Ishmael View Post
    I think there's some hope for success for a coordinated effort to show that there are alternatives as safe as even the CDC's acknowledged vaccine statistics... BUT... all the hyperbole, fantastic, mind numbing, stupid, unvetted fear mongering that confuses correlation or random incidence of illnesses with causation by the vaccine has to STFU. Otherwise, all a REAL provaxer needs to do is to show proof that the nuttery is indeed nuttery and the case for a viable alternative for employee vaccination and "passports" goes out the window.

    The justification for an alternative needs to be based on individual freedoms, religious or not. Keep the "death jab" nuttery out of the picture. It is a sure loser.
    I disagree, because we are two different people, with two different mindsets regarding tactics, authoritarianism, the historical power and tactics of those authoritarians and the overwhelming overreach, control, corruption and collusion - inclusive of their judiciary.

    All of which (and more) was firmly established in our societies before the Wuhan Flu/Covid entered the political scene.

    An across the board, purely scientific debate from any and all sides of the aisle, puts everything in their well oiled court. A court of contrived questions. Slick omission of facts. Staged participants with staged questions and staged answers. This what you want, and this is not what I want.

    From a tactical viewpoint, several things are happening - that wouldn't be happening if your preferred information route had been taken. You could pretend and argue that it would be happening, but that is all it would be. Pretending, and not based on every bit of historical observance any of us have ever witnessed in our societies for 50+ years.

    There are millions of people taking to the streets in defiance of our overlords - left, right and Indys.

    There are millions (if not billions) of people being exposed to the censorship of our authoritarian governments - left, right and Indys. They now see, first hand the machinations of not just our governments, but of Twitter, Google, Facebook, Instagram.

    Remembering of course, and very importantly - they - the authoritarians nudged first, pushed first, shoved first and now are ordering under the blanket of multiple harmful and dangerous actions, beyond just threats.

    You somehow think all of this could be solved with the absence of a 5G narrative being introduced at some point, or, nano being injected into our bodies, or singular cases of casualties to the vaccine...as if that is the problem.

    The problem is the authoritarians, and the solution is to fight their tried and true winning ways of owning a narrative - by any means necessary.
    DuckDuckGo is a leftist, Soros sponsored and financial contributor to the collective left. They are the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing. They present themselves as an option away from the corrupt Google, when in fact...they are only a contrived option that really just gives money, and takes money from our ideological enemies. Qwant appears to be an option. Spread the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianeye View Post
    I disagree, because we are two different people, with two different mindsets regarding tactics, authoritarianism, the historical power and tactics of those authoritarians and the overwhelming overreach, control, corruption and collusion - inclusive of their judiciary.

    All of which (and more) was firmly established in our societies before the Wuhan Flu/Covid entered the political scene.

    An across the board, purely scientific debate from any and all sides of the aisle, puts everything in their well oiled court. A court of contrived questions. Slick omission of facts. Staged participants with staged questions and staged answers. This what you want, and this is not what I want.

    From a tactical viewpoint, several things are happening - that wouldn't be happening if your preferred information route had been taken. You could pretend and argue that it would be happening, but that is all it would be. Pretending, and not based on every bit of historical observance any of us have ever witnessed in our societies for 50+ years.

    There are millions of people taking to the streets in defiance of our overlords - left, right and Indys.

    There are millions (if not billions) of people being exposed to the censorship of our authoritarian governments - left, right and Indys. They now see, first hand the machinations of not just our governments, but of Twitter, Google, Facebook, Instagram.

    Remembering of course, and very importantly - they - the authoritarians nudged first, pushed first, shoved first and now are ordering under the blanket of multiple harmful and dangerous actions, beyond just threats.

    You somehow think all of this could be solved with the absence of a 5G narrative being introduced at some point, or, nano being injected into our bodies, or singular cases of casualties to the vaccine...as if that is the problem.

    The problem is the authoritarians, and the solution is to fight their tried and true winning ways of owning a narrative - by any means necessary.
    You people will ruin any chance of obtaining an injunction against Biden's mandate by using that "death jab" and "5G" nuttery as an excuse. The mandate is unconstitutional if there are alternate means of achieving the same national health goal. And further, your own post provides support for the case against arbitrary authoritarianism. You mention it several times. The arbitrary authoritarianism can be proven. The nuttery about 5G and "death jabs" cannot and will not be.


    When your 5G and "death jab" nuttery is proven to be absurd, you will lose the case that you claim to support. Whereas, Biden may try to ignore the constitution, but the constitution will not be slapped down as nuttery.
    Last edited by Call_me_Ishmael; 09-17-2021 at 11:34 AM.


    Stop the vaccine mandates. Use facts about constitutional freedoms. The 1905 SCOTUS ruling is obsolete. New technologies can provide for public safety AND protect the constitutional freedoms of those who refuse the vax. Use of easily disproven fearmongering antivax porn will kill our chances to stop the mandates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    A positive COVID test can be proven and could be offered as an exemption to vaccine if they wished to.
    Oh that there would be hilarious. I would pay money to listen to a control freak try to explain how the positive Covid test is not proof because there are so many false positives.

    But but but but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianeye View Post
    There are millions of people taking to the streets in defiance of our overlords - left, right and Indys.

    There are millions (if not billions) of people being exposed to the censorship of our authoritarian governments - left, right and Indys. They now see, first hand the machinations of not just our governments, but of Twitter, Google, Facebook, Instagram.
    I think putting the focus on censorship is the best tactic.

    Although half the liberals out there think censorship against the great unwashed is a wonderful thing the other half understands no good comes from censorship, period. Plus, this is a theme you can hammer over and over again until the cows come home and thereby force to media to make their case in favor of censorship. And the more they try to cobble together some half-assed arguments the deeper the hole they dig.

    It's a winning hand, better play it to the limit.

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    Yes, it is a good hand - of many hands - that can and should be played. Tactics, strategy, battles vs wars is a long process.

    We may not win that particular battle, but, that would in all likelihood mean that they have to cheat to win in a more flagrant fashion, with, a greater audience being a witness to that...which gives us a greater chance at eventually winning the war.
    DuckDuckGo is a leftist, Soros sponsored and financial contributor to the collective left. They are the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing. They present themselves as an option away from the corrupt Google, when in fact...they are only a contrived option that really just gives money, and takes money from our ideological enemies. Qwant appears to be an option. Spread the word.

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