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    See I dont like so-called Church of Englanders. They are our biggest rivals. 'Anglicans'. But they are closer to us than Evangelicals. Same with Presbyterians ( kind of like them ), Eastern Orthodox, Uniting, Lutheran etc - all the normal protestant churches. I place Evangelicals right at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    Some priests had an interesting interpretation of "let the little children come to me."
    And that abuse can be found in all religions, the leaders use their position of power in ways the parishioners don't want to know about because it would display the falseness of commercial religion.

    A lot of religion has nothing to do with G*d, it is all about making money in return for a perception of forgiveness.

    They way the scam works is a guy can butt-screw little boys all week long and as long as he goes to church, prays, tithes and gets a little Jesus into his heart is good to go, sins all cleansed away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Hunter View Post
    Well regulated Protestant churches govern themselves according to NT, and mostly the guidance in the Pauline Epistles. Deacons and Elders are elected by the members, Pastors are hired guns.

    Ever been in a Protestant Church OP?

    Denominations are NOT "according to the NT".

    Paul would rebuke them them today as he rebuked the Corinthians for divisiveness.

    Denominations are divisions in the body.
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    To the OP:

    I know many catholics that are good and trustworthy people. However, I know many of them that like to go to Saturday evening mass just so they can go get wasted afterwards and not have to attempt to show up Sunday morning still drunk or hung over.

    I was invited to a wedding at a local Catholic Church by a coworker. It was Saturday evening. It was a nice wedding ceremony and lasted kind of long. I was told that was because it was mixed with Saturday mass. After the ceremony, everyone walked across the street into a Church related building for the reception. During the reception, the beer, wine, and hard liquor were flowing quite plentifully. Being a Protestant with no rules to follow, I felt very uncomfortable with this drunken bash on Church property. My coworkers reassured me that I was not on Church property. The building was owned by an auxiliary group of the Church and not the Church itself. So, it was OK to have a big, wild, drunken bash. That's when it was also explained to me that since everyone attended mass already, they didn't have to come to Church on Sunday morning. The only thing that this reassured me of is just how convenient it is to be Catholic. You can engage in a drunken bash on Church related property and not have to show up on Sunday morning and still feel like you are living your life the right way. The whole time, I felt as though I was going to get hit by a lightening bolt and left.

    But, then again, what do I know? I'm just a Protestant that had no rules to live by.
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    If TOO2's point is that as an outsider (s)he doesn't know what Protestant churches do, well, the OP demonstrates that. Just within the several church congregations I've been a member of through the decades, practices vary. Some didn't have membership roles at all. The leaders observed people over time, and those who evidenced faith and were faithful in participating could serve in ministries in the church. In more recent decades, churches required those who wanted to serve in children's ministries also had to have a criminal background check done, and required that there always be at least two adult leaders when they were around children.

    Other churches required certain basic instruction plus a face-to-face interview with one of the pastors. The Lutheran church in which I grew up did confirmation, two years going through Luther's Small Catechism for young teens; not sure of the time for adult converts, probably worked out with those receiving the instruction. The pastor led the catechism classes.

    That practices vary does not mean there were none. As to effectiveness, that's as complex and sometimes imperfect as the humans involved.

    As to church discipline, sadly, the Catholic Church has not been a paragon of excellence, whether with abusive priests or prominent members such as the Kennedy clan. Even ignoring liberal mainline Protestant denominations, equally sadly, Protestant churches have no room for posturing. Discipline of the straying by the imperfect will be imperfect. That said, while discipline is often done in confidence with a hope of restoration, discipline is done, with some degree of proportion between the reason and the consequences. That it seldom makes the 6 O'Clock news (i.e. that it isn't widely known) does not mean it doesn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    To the OP:

    I know many catholics that are good and trustworthy people. However, I know many of them that like to go to Saturday evening mass just so they can go get wasted afterwards and not have to attempt to show up Sunday morning still drunk or hung over.

    I was invited to a wedding at a local Catholic Church by a coworker. It was Saturday evening. It was a nice wedding ceremony and lasted kind of long. I was told that was because it was mixed with Saturday mass. After the ceremony, everyone walked across the street into a Church related building for the reception. During the reception, the beer, wine, and hard liquor were flowing quite plentifully. Being a Protestant with no rules to follow, I felt very uncomfortable with this drunken bash on Church property. My coworkers reassured me that I was not on Church property. The building was owned by an auxiliary group of the Church and not the Church itself. So, it was OK to have a big, wild, drunken bash. That's when it was also explained to me that since everyone attended mass already, they didn't have to come to Church on Sunday morning. The only thing that this reassured me of is just how convenient it is to be Catholic. You can engage in a drunken bash on Church related property and not have to show up on Sunday morning and still feel like you are living your life the right way. The whole time, I felt as though I was going to get hit by a lightening bolt and left.

    But, then again, what do I know? I'm just a Protestant that had no rules to live by.
    Additionally, I have stories of hypocrisy with respect to Protestants too. However, like with the Catholic example that I gave, I don't condemn the entire religion over it. There are good and devout people in all of them.
    I never called you a VAXhole. You ASSumed that I did. Your self-ASSumed guilt is your problem and not mine.

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    it must be Biblical Standards. RCC along with many others have Church standards that directly contradict God and that is not Good.
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    If you are Evangelical you could maybe take it as a compliment that i put you on the bottom of the list of protestants.

    In Australia Catholicism is the majority form of christianity with Church of England second and Uniting Church third. Evangelicals arent even 15% of Australian christians and Hillsongs popularity is a modern thing so Evangelical christianity is very foreign to me and since Evangelicals seem to be the most obsessed with opposition to the Roman Catholic Church is makes sense I would find you to be the weirdest. And you dont have to take me too seriously obviously. Basically Im just saying that the lack of structure - and lack of history and tradition seems to attract more casual type Christians. What I mean is Evangelical Churches seem to try to appeal to the types that want to do the least to be able to call themselves Christian. Its as if Evangelicals try to make church fun and easy. Whereas Roman Catholicms and normal protestant churches are more serious and maybe less fun. I have never seen a Catholic Priest get excited for example. Presbyterian Ministers seems a lot more laid back. But Evangelical pastors or whatever you call them seem off the rails a lot of the time for me. And the way you sing. Its all very different. Thats a nicer way to say what I was saying.

    Edit - The casual appeal of Evangelicalism is probably why it has high growth rate. Hillsong appeals to people that the Catholic Church and normal protestant churches would not. Which is kind of funny since you guys present yourselves as so hardcore. Who knew it was so easy? Ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    I didnt say anything like that.

    Roman Catholics are often working class. But good working class.

    And yes I know the Pope likes to wash the feet of filthy homeless people. Thats just for show though. We dont want them in our churches. Same with an outdoor show Mass.
    Would you welcome Jesus Christ into your churches if he came back as a homeless person?

    He had no place to lay his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    See I dont like so-called Church of Englanders. They are our biggest rivals. 'Anglicans'. But they are closer to us than Evangelicals. Same with Presbyterians ( kind of like them ), Eastern Orthodox, Uniting, Lutheran etc - all the normal protestant churches. I place Evangelicals right at the bottom.
    In Christ there is no Jew or Greek (and as a Cold War era hymn put it, no East or West).
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