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    Germany is bracing for a major electric vehicle shock

    When Dirk Kosbad started working at the Volkswagen plant in Zwickau in 1990, his job was to assemble the Trabant, East Germany’s signature car, by hand. Now, over 30 years later, he works in the same factory as a shift supervisor: watching over orange robots gliding swiftly around a silver car frame, shooting tiny bolts of lighting here and there, welding together the various parts that will soon enclose a large rectangular battery. Zwickau is the nucleus for Volkswagen’s shift to electric mobility


    After over a century of unrivalled power, the internal combustion engine has had its day. The list of countries planning bans on the sale of combustion-engine cars is growing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    When Dirk Kosbad started working at the Volkswagen plant in Zwickau in 1990, his job was to assemble the Trabant, https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germ...ehicles-europe
    Electric cars are lucky to get 200 miles to a charge. That means they are good for local tasks like driving to work and back. Battery capacity degrades with cold temperature. EV cars dont have air conditioning, the ones that do don’t get far so good luck with these cars in places like Florida. Imagine driving a long distance, drive 3 hours and stop for an hour to recharge.

    Wait until the parking lot has to have a charger at every spot, an ev charges at 28-60 kw. For a 100 car parking lot that’s 6 megawatts. That’s massive. Imagine apartment complexes and subdivisions having to accommodate all ev. The electrical grid is going to have to be hugely expanded if every vehicle is ev. Each ev is equivalent to the electrical needs of 1/4 to 1/2 of a house.

    And wait until millions of very toxic batteries have to be manufactured and wear out.

    Dumping internal combustion engines for battery powered cars is stupid.
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    The challenge will no doubt be one of where the electricity will come from. There is always a trafeOff, and this one will be much worse than most people realize. There is no magic solution, but people can't mentally visualize....it is similar to the common lack of understanding when the masses turn on a water spigot. They have this fantasy that they turn a faucet handle and water just appears out of a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowRose View Post
    The challenge will no doubt be one of where the electricity will come from. There is always a trafeOff, and this one will be much worse than most people realize. There is no magic solution, but people can't mentally visualize....it is similar to the common lack of understanding when the masses turn on a water spigot. They have this fantasy that they turn a faucet handle and water just appears out of a wall.
    The answer is so easy and seems to be the one the administration is pursuing.

    All that is needed is to install charging stations. Make it mandatory to install them during new construction. Having a place to plug in your electric car is as short sighted as we need be, the rest will take care of itself. Shutting down coal stations is a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freewill View Post
    The answer is so easy and seems to be the one the admiration is pursuing.

    All that is needed is to install charging stations. Make it mandatory to install them during new construction. Having a place to plug in your electric car is as short sighted as we need be, the rest will take care of itself. Shutting down coal stations is a start.
    Why not let the market decide? If electric vehicles are so great people would buy them and use them forcing a need for charging stations but as always big brother knows best, and people who have a fetish of government get a thrill up their leg thinking about yet one more mandate.

    I remember hearing a guy from Brazil on the radio talking about their gas stations down there as compared to ours where we have a choice of unleaded, unleaded, or unleaded.

    He said down there you can get leaded gas if you want, compressed natural gas, diesel, ethanol, all of which had their plusses and minuses and why people would choose one over the other.

    Natural gas is great for large vehicles like school buses on level surfaces but it sucks trying to get them uphill, it doesn't have the pulling power of diesel which is great for that purpose but some people like the immediate start of a gas engine and not waiting on a diersel to warm up the glow plugs first but either way you go to a gas station down there and you have CHOICE, unlike here where "big brother knows best" and people who have a fetish for government and the know it all one size fits all control they offer makes them sleep better at night knowing the decision has been made for them, almost admitting in the process they're too stupid to try and make that decision themselves.

    No, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling any government mandate loving big brother fetishinado stupid, and nosy as in mind your own business, let me mind mine.

    He finished with "we have choice, you dont, but yet we're the "backwards" people according to you". I'm almost ready to leave the country and trade the "freedom" I have here to do what I'm told for the freedom I'd have down there as long as I can pay for it and since what I do for a living is a worldwide need, I'll learn latin quick once I'm immersed in it, communist government lovers can stay right here where they belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenvoter View Post
    Why not let the market decide? If electric vehicles are so great people would buy them and use them forcing a need for charging stations but as always big brother knows best, and people who have a fetish of government get a thrill up their leg thinking about yet one more mandate.

    I remember hearing a guy from Brazil on the radio talking about their gas stations down there as compared to ours where we have a choice of unleaded, unleaded, or unleaded.

    He said down there you can get leaded gas if you want, compressed natural gas, diesel, ethanol, all of which had their plusses and minuses and why people would choose one over the other.

    Natural gas is great for large vehicles like school buses on level surfaces but it sucks trying to get them uphill, it doesn't have the pulling power of diesel which is great for that purpose but some people like the immediate start of a gas engine and not waiting on a diersel to warm up the glow plugs first but either way you go to a gas station down there and you have CHOICE, unlike here where "big brother knows best" and people who have a fetish for government and the know it all one size fits all control they offer makes them sleep better at night knowing the decision has been made for them, almost admitting in the process they're too stupid to try and make that decision themselves.

    No, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling any government mandate loving big brother fetishinado stupid, and nosy as in mind your own business, let me mind mine.

    He finished with "we have choice, you dont, but yet we're the "backwards" people according to you". I'm almost ready to leave the country and trade the "freedom" I have here to do what I'm told for the freedom I'd have down there as long as I can pay for it and since what I do for a living is a worldwide need, I'll learn latin quick once I'm immersed in it, communist government lovers can stay right here where they belong.
    I was being sarcastic, the Biden administration has said almost nothing on how we will power all these charging stations. Shutting coal stations certainly isn't the answer.

    I agree, let the free market decide. But comparing a relatively small country to the US seems not to be a good comparison. Do we need stations like what was described to you? We don't need leaded gasoline, we just don't. We don't need ethanol either. Ethanol makes no sense as didn't GWB. We use corn to make fuel using oil to make the fertilizer to grow the corn, makes no sense.

    So here is an idea, come up with an economical common sense replacement for the gasoline engine and you will make millions. Go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freewill View Post
    So here is an idea, come up with an economical common sense replacement for the gasoline engine and you will make millions. Go.
    I'm a fan of the jet powered tennis shoes. Still a few bugs to work out but we're getting there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Freewill View Post
    The answer is so easy and seems to be the one the administration is pursuing.

    All that is needed is to install charging stations. Make it mandatory to install them during new construction. Having a place to plug in your electric car is as short sighted as we need be, the rest will take care of itself. Shutting down coal stations is a start.
    It isn't the charging station problem. It is a power source issue. Source...not method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowRose View Post
    It isn't the charging station problem. It is a power source issue. Source...not method.
    My sarcastic point is exactly what you are saying. They are mandating the end product before confirming the supply. That said, my local utility has not voiced a concern at all about this, they rather embrace more business. Running at 100 percent 24/7 makes the most money.
    Yinz need to watch the video "Planet of the Humans."

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    The best part is, it is produced by Michael Moore. Usually the love child of the rabid left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freewill View Post
    The answer is so easy and seems to be the one the administration is pursuing.

    All that is needed is to install charging stations. Make it mandatory to install them during new construction. Having a place to plug in your electric car is as short sighted as we need be, the rest will take care of itself. Shutting down coal stations is a start.
    The power grid will not support an all ev transportation model. The power plants canít generate that much electricity, the grid canít deliver it.

    Batteries are not the answer. Battery technology hasnít advanced that much and is near its limit. Production and manufacturing improvements are where the advances have come and they have reached their limit. And batteries are an eco nightmare.

    capacitors are not an option, no way.

    Hydrogen fuel cells are a possible route but they have been on the drawing board for 40 years. I donít know if itís politics or a technology issue keeping them out of cars. Maybe hydrogen cells give cars great range so people still have freedom to travel and the eco people donít like that freedom.

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