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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    Now heres an illuminating bit of information:


    ".....the French boats have disqualified themselves from licences by over-fishing, fishing juvenile fish, and fishing far too often, according to current fisheries legislation. French boats are required, under the ‘deal’ with the UK, to show detailed lists of their fishing activity and are refusing to do so as they breach the conditions. Ironically, as a distinguished economist has pointed out, one of the reasons for the delay in Jersey giving out permits is the refusal of the French authorities to provide any information on catches landed in French ports as required by the Trade and Co-operation Agreement (TCA). But the EU says our refusal to provide real time information on goods being shipped to Northern Ireland is a breach of the TCA and they are taking us to court. The UK should of course simply mirror this legal action, but no, oh dear no, Whitehall would not hear of it, it might chill the diplomatic atmosphere."
    Typical case of the French trying every trick in the book, however! Ultimately they know we will have them dangling on the end of a hook in 2026 when ALL signed agreement come to an end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    absolutely incorrect. The trigger to hostilities in 1914 were a set of interlocking treaties between various countries, known as the Mutual Defense Alliances, that obliged them to come to each others defence - Germany was obliged to support Austria. Russia was obliged to defend Serbia. France was obliged to help Russia, the UK obliged to help France. The moment Philip Princip fired his gun, WW1 was inevitable and unstoppable.



    1. oohh nice bit of selective fact picking there. We declared war because you invaded Poland, whom we had a mutual defense treaty with. Hitler miscalculated, he knew of the Treaty, and figured we wouldnt act on it. He tried his luck, and got it wrong

    2.The 'peace deal' offered was basically surrender and capitulation . It was an insult and never going to be accepted by any self respecting englishman.




    Plus, all the nonsense you post about the UK 'leaping into bed with the communists' is garbage, There was a treaty between Uk France and russia signed long before called The Triple Entente. In any case, in 1939 Russia was no threat to the Uk. Germany was.
    Germany and Soviet Russia both invaded Poland in September, 1939. The UK and France declared war on Germany for this action, but not Russia. Apparently those countries sworn defense of Poland didn't include a defense in case of communist invasion, only a German one. Acts of violence against ethnic Germans living in the so-called Polish corridor were common in the lead up to Germany's invasion. In Russia the violence was worse, with regular witch hunts and murders carried out by the NKVD against German males, some who were just children.
    As Oswald Mosely tried to remind the Brits repeatedly, what vital interest was Poland to Britain, that your Prime Minister should declare war only in relationship to the western half of Poland, but not the eastern half which Russia took? The mental gymnastics needed to justify Britain's half-assed reasoning should be a red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermannsdenkmal View Post
    Germany and Soviet Russia both invaded Poland in September, 1939. The UK and France declared war on Germany for this action, but not Russia. Apparently those countries sworn defense of Poland didn't include a defense in case of communist invasion, only a German one. Acts of violence against ethnic Germans living in the so-called Polish corridor were common in the lead up to Germany's invasion. In Russia the violence was worse, with regular witch hunts and murders carried out by the NKVD against German males, some who were just children.
    As Oswald Mosely tried to remind the Brits repeatedly, what vital interest was Poland to Britain, that your Prime Minister should declare war only in relationship to the western half of Poland, but not the eastern half which Russia took? The mental gymnastics needed to justify Britain's half-assed reasoning should be a red flag.

    Because of the way the Mutual Defense Treaties worked, plus if Germany and Russia were dividing up Poland, then one or the other was going to end up an ally, because they were ideologically opposed and at some stage likely to set about each other. The most likely result in 1939 was that the main aggressor was going to be Germany, and the Russian action was a) just opportunism that can be dealt with later and b) not a direct threat to the UK. So not declaring war on Russia was a prudent move and allowed us to ally with them later on, and thus turn Russia against Germany in Poland. The British at the time were a lot smarter than you give them credit for. As it so happened, it didnt matter because Hitler ignored the Schlieffen Plan, which as predicted by Schlieffen in 1909, caused Germany to lose the war by opening a second front against Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    Because of the way the Mutual Defense Treaties worked, plus if Germany and Russia were dividing up Poland, then one or the other was going to end up an ally, because they were ideologically opposed and at some stage likely to set about each other. The most likely result in 1939 was that the main aggressor was going to be Germany, and the Russian action was a) just opportunism that can be dealt with later and b) not a direct threat to the UK. So not declaring war on Russia was a prudent move and allowed us to ally with them later on, and thus turn Russia against Germany in Poland. The British at the time were a lot smarter than you give them credit for. As it so happened, it didnt matter because Hitler ignored the Schlieffen Plan, which as predicted by Schlieffen in 1909, caused Germany to lose the war by opening a second front against Russia.
    Yes but it goes far beyond what you've stated here. British intelligence blamed the Russian massacre of 20,000 Polish soldiers on Germany in 1939. How am I to view Britain's odd devotion to Russia, even going so far as to blame Russian atrocities on Germany?

    The facts point to British leadership not caring a fig about Poland. Britain was looking for an excuse to start a war with Germany, and they even manufactured disinformation in order to do so.

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