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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    Loyalists and Catholics toss petrol bombs at each other over the 'Peace Wall' as violence escalates in Belfast: Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster condemn 'deeply concerning' scenes


    • Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police in the west of the city and attacked a press photographer late last night
    • The youths hurled Molotov cocktails over some of the peace barriers into Catholic areas - which returned fire
    • Hundreds of others marched along the main streets under supervision from police as tension mounted in city
    • Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster were quick to condemn the violence, with PM last night calling for 'dialogue'
    • Northern Ireland Executive called a meeting of politicians on Thursday morning to be briefed on the mayhem



    And they are off again. Then the idiot @StantheMan wonders why the British had to keep them apart for 50 years.


    Belfast rioters attack police, a photographer and hurl petrol bombs | Daily Mail Online

    The violence over the past week erupted after prosecutors said no action would be taken against 24 Sinn Fein politicians - including deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - for a huge republican funeral during the pandemic. Loyalists are also angry at post-Brexit trading arrangements that have created economic barriers between the region and the rest of the UK. They see the Northern Ireland Protocol as undermining their place in the Union.

    This is nothing. Wait until July 12. I doubt that them Orange Order Apprentice Boys can stay on Shankill Road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

    "Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland who also support Irish nationalism. Protestants have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland."
    Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia

    I hear this about every religious conflict . I get that the old men who design and benefit from these wars don't give a hoot about religion. But on the other hand religion along with nationalism is how the young men who fight the wars or carry out the resistence are motivated and how their families celebrate the risk they take in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless terrier View Post
    what with the US going back to the racial problems of the 60s .. it kinda makes sense for the IRA to somehow rise from the ashes again.
    Northern Ireland had its own civil rights movement in the 60s which triggered an IRA rebirth. Gerry Adams caught flack for referring to a "Balllymurphy nigger" but there was truth in what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    What a load of bollox/

    The British are not in NI, we haven't been there for 15 years. So continually blaming us for whats going on now is just utter nonsense. At some stage you have to say, 'actually this is just plain religious hate between Protestants and Catholics'. Its now nothing to do with us.

    It's to do with the fact the Irish can hold a grudge for 400 years with no effort at all. It's to do with the Battle of the Boyne of 1690, and the fact the Catholics want reunification of Ireland and the Protestants dont. But the one factor that's NOT now present is the British.
    How long has it been since Cromwell was in Ireland? I wasn't suggesting the British were responsible in any way for what's happening today and Cromwell wasn't responsible for what happened late in the last century. But to say it's simply religious hatred is bollocks.

    I'm not surprised a UKSmartypants would desperately want to pretend that trouble in Northern Ireland has nothing to do with anything England ever did.

    The fighting is not about religion. Was the Holocaust Christians versus Jews?
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    If you want to point a finger, point it at the traitor Theresa May and the mendacious spiteful EU.

    During Brexit negotiations, the EU, encouraged by the Idiot and Eu lapdog Vradakar, cynically set out to weaponise Northern Ireland to scupper a deal or at the very least heavily punish the British.

    There was a perfectly feasible way through smart technology and a Trusted Trader scheme to have a virtually invisible border on the Irish/EU side.

    But Theresa May and her negotiating team caved in to the ludicrously exaggerated warnings about how a land border would lead to a resumption of violence and the death of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

    Out of sheer spite, the EU has chosen to interpret the rules as inflexibly as possible and cause maximum disruption. And, to make it even worse, Sinn Fein have been crowing mendaciously about how this leads inexorably to a United Ireland.

    By the time Boris Johnson took over in December 2019, the pass had been sold. And, to get a Brexit deal that worked, he had to agree to an arrangement known as the Northern Ireland Protocol which impedes trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain

    Brexit negotiator Lord Frost is working to ameliorate the damage but Unionists have a genuine fear that Northern Ireland is being cut off from the rest of the United Kingdom by an internal border because, once more, the Government has caved in to threats of republican violence.

    Though the scenes of violence this week are sickening and no one could condone them, it is hardly surprising that some angry loyalists decided to follow suit.

    Unionists don't much trust British governments and constantly fear being sold out.

    Urgently sorting out the scandal of the protocol is the least Lord Frost and the Prime Minister can do to give the law-abiding and loyal Northern Irish people the centenary present they deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKSmartypants View Post
    If you want to point a finger, point it at the traitor Theresa May and the mendacious spiteful EU.

    During Brexit negotiations, the EU, encouraged by the Idiot and Eu lapdog Vradakar, cynically set out to weaponise Northern Ireland to scupper a deal or at the very least heavily punish the British.

    There was a perfectly feasible way through smart technology and a Trusted Trader scheme to have a virtually invisible border on the Irish/EU side.

    But Theresa May and her negotiating team caved in to the ludicrously exaggerated warnings about how a land border would lead to a resumption of violence and the death of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

    Out of sheer spite, the EU has chosen to interpret the rules as inflexibly as possible and cause maximum disruption. And, to make it even worse, Sinn Fein have been crowing mendaciously about how this leads inexorably to a United Ireland.

    By the time Boris Johnson took over in December 2019, the pass had been sold. And, to get a Brexit deal that worked, he had to agree to an arrangement known as the Northern Ireland Protocol which impedes trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain

    Brexit negotiator Lord Frost is working to ameliorate the damage but Unionists have a genuine fear that Northern Ireland is being cut off from the rest of the United Kingdom by an internal border because, once more, the Government has caved in to threats of republican violence.

    Though the scenes of violence this week are sickening and no one could condone them, it is hardly surprising that some angry loyalists decided to follow suit.

    Unionists don't much trust British governments and constantly fear being sold out.

    Urgently sorting out the scandal of the protocol is the least Lord Frost and the Prime Minister can do to give the law-abiding and loyal Northern Irish people the centenary present they deserve.
    You see fingers being pointed when they aren't. I am simply saying it isn't a religious issue. The fact that many on one side are Catholic and many on the other side are protestant is not the cause of the problems. Unemployment, poor schools, oppression, and the same things that blacks in Democrat ghettos suffer are the cause of problems and not the person's skin color or his religion.

    When the KKK ruled in the South the KKK members shared three characteristics: white, christian, Democrat. Were the bombings and murders Democrats versus Republicans? No.

    Please address my question. Was the Holocaust Christian versus Jews?
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    One side of the Protestant vs. Catholic debate in Ireland is full of hypocrites and not very favorable to modern society.
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    And what Biden says China do! Ad hoc per se?

    And what we used to ask people using dodgy cars on the Falls Road was if they supported the obviously gaylord clergy that'd take over post Her Majesty's rule.

    Their self-subservient doctrine is embarrassing.





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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    You see fingers being pointed when they aren't. I am simply saying it isn't a religious issue. The fact that many on one side are Catholic and many on the other side are protestant is not the cause of the problems. Unemployment, poor schools, oppression, and the same things that blacks in Democrat ghettos suffer are the cause of problems and not the person's skin color or his religion.

    When the KKK ruled in the South the KKK members shared three characteristics: white, christian, Democrat. Were the bombings and murders Democrats versus Republicans? No.

    Please address my question. Was the Holocaust Christian versus Jews?

    1. Catholics and protestants have been killing each other in NI for at least 300 years. The entire country is organised on sectarian lines, even Belfast itself is divided into Catholic and Protestant areas with 12 foot high walls between to stop them shooting each other from upper floor windows. This latest spat is because the IRA (catholics) think they are closer to uniting Ireland and are crowing about it, wheras the Loyalists (all protestant) think they are being sold down the river by the NI Protocol and are using the failure of the NI CPS to prosecute the 24 Sien Fienn people (catholic) for clear breaches of the law as proof. The reasons for trouble i n NI are always complex, but always boil down to Catholics vs Protestants. There is no other type of division in NI, not race, politics or class or anything else. Just which church you go to

    2. The Holocaust is nothing to do with it. it was Fascism vs Jews. The attempt at an analogy is invalid.
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