Belfast fires up again

[UKSmartypants]

Loyalists and Catholics toss petrol bombs at each other over the 'Peace Wall' as violence escalates in Belfast: Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster condemn 'deeply concerning' scenes

• Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police in the west of the city and attacked a press photographer late last night
• The youths hurled Molotov cocktails over some of the peace barriers into Catholic areas - which returned fire
• Hundreds of others marched along the main streets under supervision from police as tension mounted in city
• Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster were quick to condemn the violence, with PM last night calling for 'dialogue'
• Northern Ireland Executive called a meeting of politicians on Thursday morning to be briefed on the mayhem

And they are off again. Then the idiot @StantheMan wonders why the British had to keep them apart for 50 years.


Belfast rioters attack police, a photographer and hurl petrol bombs | Daily Mail Online

The violence over the past week erupted after prosecutors said no action would be taken against 24 Sinn Fein politicians - including deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - for a huge republican funeral during the pandemic. Loyalists are also angry at post-Brexit trading arrangements that have created economic barriers between the region and the rest of the UK. They see the Northern Ireland Protocol as undermining their place in the Union.

[Common]

Its been quiet for many years, this was a reiigious flareup again ?

[patrickt]

Its been quiet for many years, this was a reiigious flareup again ?

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland who also support Irish nationalism. Protestants have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia

[UKSmartypants]

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland who also support Irish nationalism. Protestants have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia

What a load of bollox/

The British are not in NI, we haven't been there for 15 years. So continually blaming us for whats going on now is just utter nonsense. At some stage you have to say, 'actually this is just plain religious hate between Protestants and Catholics'. Its now nothing to do with us.

It's to do with the fact the Irish can hold a grudge for 400 years with no effort at all. It's to do with the Battle of the Boyne of 1690, and the fact the Catholics want reunification of Ireland and the Protestants dont. But the one factor that's NOT now present is the British.

[patrickt]

What a load of bollox/

The British are not in NI, we haven't been there for 15 years. So continually blaming us for whats going on now is just utter nonsense. At some stage you have to say, 'actually this is just plain religious hate between Protestants and Catholics'. Its now nothing to do with us.

It's to do with the fact the Irish can hold a grudge for 400 years with no effort at all. It's to do with the Battle of the Boyne of 1690, and the fact the Catholics want reunification of Ireland and the Protestants dont. But the one factor that's NOT now present is the British.

How long has it been since Cromwell was in Ireland? I wasn't suggesting the British were responsible in any way for what's happening today and Cromwell wasn't responsible for what happened late in the last century. But to say it's simply religious hatred is bollocks.

I'm not surprised a UKSmartypants would desperately want to pretend that trouble in Northern Ireland has nothing to do with anything England ever did.

The fighting is not about religion. Was the Holocaust Christians versus Jews?

[donttread]

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland who also support Irish nationalism. Protestants have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia

I hear this about every religious conflict . I get that the old men who design and benefit from these wars don't give a hoot about religion. But on the other hand religion along with nationalism is how the young men who fight the wars or carry out the resistence are motivated and how their families celebrate the risk they take in doing so.

[dinosaur]

So the Protocol agreement to keep the peace has instead led to more violence. Northern Ireland peoples just like to fight. By saving the Good Friday agreement and keeping the Irish border open, they create a sea border that delays food? Oh yeah, that's some smart stuff right there. Disrupt someone's milk, meat, and eggs, and expect them to be happy?

But hey, rather than get it worked out and press government to get the job done, just hurl some petrol bombs at your neighbors on the other side of the fence. That works! (two face palms, one for each side)

I have visited Belfast. It's a dreary place. It's difficult sometimes to understand foreign culture, but I sensed the whole place was on edge, there was a tension in the air. That was in 2015-2016. People were not open or friendly, and the food ... bad.

[UKSmartypants]

So the Protocol agreement to keep the peace has instead led to more violence. Northern Ireland peoples just like to fight. By saving the Good Friday agreement and keeping the Irish border open, they create a sea border that delays food? Oh yeah, that's some smart stuff right there. Disrupt someone's milk, meat, and eggs, and expect them to be happy?

But hey, rather than get it worked out and press government to get the job done, just hurl some petrol bombs at your neighbors on the other side of the fence. That works! (two face palms, one for each side)

I have visited Belfast. It's a dreary place. It's difficult sometimes to understand foreign culture, but I sensed the whole place was on edge, there was a tension in the air. That was in 2015-2016. People were not open or friendly, and the food ... bad.

As expected. There was no problem with the Eire/NI border until the Idiot Vradakar came along ,and on the EU's instructions he MADE it into a problem, to beat us with. It a perfect example of the EU play silly buggers with peoples lives. The amount of goods that will get smuggled across is trivial in the grand plan of all things, and you will never stop it. The NI Protocol you can ultimately blame on the dirty remainer traitor May.

Then on the other side, you have a load of IRA terrorists holding a massive show funeral in direct contravention of covid law, and right in front of the Unionists faces, rubbing their noses in it, and the NI CPs refuse to enforce the law and prosecute them.

So both sides are pissed with the other.

The British were in NI for 50 years doing their best to stop this stuff, which happened regularly all through the 60's 70s 80's and 90's, and look at the thanks we got. And all the dead soldiers.

[ruthless terrier]

what with the US going back to the racial problems of the 60s .. it kinda makes sense for the IRA to somehow rise from the ashes again.

[Authentic]

what with the US going back to the racial problems of the 60s .. it kinda makes sense for the IRA to somehow rise from the ashes again.

Northern Ireland had its own civil rights movement in the 60s which triggered an IRA rebirth. Gerry Adams caught flack for referring to a "Balllymurphy ******" but there was truth in what he said.