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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    So @Fall River the life of the collective is more important than the life of the individual. To put it another way the State must be saved at all costs including the sacrifice of the individual.
    I didn't say one is more important than the other. They are of equal importance. The military is a collective that fights for the collective at home. (i.e., the general population). Both are made up of individuals who agree that the homeland is worth defending. And during World War II the U.S. population worked to support the military by building ships, planes, tanks, torpedoes and other war materials.

    Men and women join the military knowing that anything can happen.
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    That's always been my problem @Fall River I live for myself and NOT the collective. If the collective benefits from something I do or did that's fine but that's NOT why I did or do whatever. I joined the military back in the day NOT because of patriotic duty or to fight communists but because it was that or be drafted or go to federal prison. I guess I'm more in Ayn Rand's philosophical camp of Objectivism than even I realize. No wonder people said I had to read Rand's two novels, "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged."

    I will not willing and of my own free will sacrifice myself for the collective. I maybe forced to do it but I'm not doing it willingly. That's why I'm an Atheist and not a religious person and don't care to go to some Great Collective in the Sky to be with an absolute dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    We didn't. The US was already a Fascist State. We should backed Hitler to crush Communism and then turn around and destroyed Hitler. Patton thought we should have done that as well.
    That is an interesting take that I never thought about. It might explain why Patton was forced out. Maybe Roosevelt wanted to side with the Marxists all along, and a pincer attack on both Soviet Union and Nazi Germany - done separately - was anathema to the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I think the answer is fairly obvious and I wonder where you get your information suggesting the Nazis supported individualism more than did the Bolsheviks?
    From reading history. The National Socialists did not interfere with private enterprise as did the Soviets. There was a private sector in Nazi Germany. There was a veneer of that in Stalin's Soviet Union, but it wasn't real. If you were a member of the Communist Party, you were "in". The proletariat at large was dependent on the centrally planned economy for a job. T

    he National Socialists promoted family integrity, while the Soviet communists encouraged every perversion you can name, including homosexuality.

    The National Socialist slogan was "what is good for the nation is good for the individual" (implied, not verbatim - think about the Eisenhower era "what is good for GM is good for America"). The Soviet slogan was "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

    My argument is which of these worldviews pervades America today?

    The Democrats will say National Socialism, evident by their constant asking of President Trump to disavow white supremacists, which he has done repeatedly. The left is never satisfied, because they are the racists.

    The reality of America is that we have been practically subverted by International Communism.

    Political correctness rules the day. You can be fired for not supporting Black Lives Matter. Check - a loss of free markets and a gain for centralized economy.

    Homosexuals can "marry" and Christianity is being attacked and undermined daily. Every perversion, such as transgenderism, lesbianism, sodomy, and even pedophilia is being flaunted and forced upon us to accept upon the pain of economic ruin.

    We are being divided by the tenets of economic Marxism, i.e. wealth redistribution. If Biden wins, look for California's current plan of reparations to be forced upon all states on pain of withholding of federal funds.

    Nikita Khrushchev said that '"We will take America ... We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within."

    This election is critical. Take a stand, and be ready for standing armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    That's always been my problem @Fall River I live for myself and NOT the collective. If the collective benefits from something I do or did that's fine but that's NOT why I did or do whatever. I joined the military back in the day NOT because of patriotic duty or to fight communists but because it was that or be drafted or go to federal prison. I guess I'm more in Ayn Rand's philosophical camp of Objectivism than even I realize. No wonder people said I had to read Rand's two novels, "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged."
    I explained what was done during world war II and how people responded in a very patriotic way, (one for all and all for one). My father was a tool & die maker and volunteered his time to serve in the manufacturing of torpedoes. He said they worked round the clock and had a cot to sleep on when they weren't working. Everything about the operation was top secret and not even my mother knew where he was or what he was doing. The factory windows were blacked out so the building couldn't be seen at night. If word got out, the enemy would have tried to bomb the building, as it wasn't far from the east coast. Long after the war he mentioned it but didn't give anymore details than that.

    I joined the army when I was 17 but failed to mention I had asthma. Then I got double pneumonia during basic training and had to tell the doctor I had asthma. They offered me a general discharge under honorable conditions and I accepted it. So my story is basically the same as yours in that I did what I did for myself not the collective. (There was no war going on at that time.) So I can relate to your way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Authentic View Post
    From reading history. The National Socialists did not interfere with private enterprise as did the Soviets. There was a private sector in Nazi Germany. There was a veneer of that in Stalin's Soviet Union, but it wasn't real. If you were a member of the Communist Party, you were "in". The proletariat at large was dependent on the centrally planned economy for a job. T

    he National Socialists promoted family integrity, while the Soviet communists encouraged every perversion you can name, including homosexuality.

    The National Socialist slogan was "what is good for the nation is good for the individual" (implied, not verbatim - think about the Eisenhower era "what is good for GM is good for America"). The Soviet slogan was "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

    My argument is which of these worldviews pervades America today?

    The Democrats will say National Socialism, evident by their constant asking of President Trump to disavow white supremacists, which he has done repeatedly. The left is never satisfied, because they are the racists.

    The reality of America is that we have been practically subverted by International Communism.

    Political correctness rules the day. You can be fired for not supporting Black Lives Matter. Check - a loss of free markets and a gain for centralized economy.

    Homosexuals can "marry" and Christianity is being attacked and undermined daily. Every perversion, such as transgenderism, lesbianism, sodomy, and even pedophilia is being flaunted and forced upon us to accept upon the pain of economic ruin.

    We are being divided by the tenets of economic Marxism, i.e. wealth redistribution. If Biden wins, look for California's current plan of reparations to be forced upon all states on pain of withholding of federal funds.

    Nikita Khrushchev said that '"We will take America ... We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within."

    This election is critical. Take a stand, and be ready for standing armed.
    You are under some grand illusions there my friend. The Nazi party platform was just the same as Marx's Communist Manifesto platform. The Nazi used every perversion under and over the Sun to gain power and once in power crushed the useful idiots. Fascist Italy was a little better but not by much. People were allowed to have private property in Nazi Germany as long as that private property benefited the State. Run afoul of the State and both you and your property were gone. People lived for and served the State and by extension the Nazi Party.

    We have in this country and have had since the early 1900's a state fascism somewhat similar to Italian Fascism. Over three fourths of our life from cradle to grave is rule by government from all levels through regulations. Our property especially real property is only leased from the government for our use as long as we pay our taxes and do not run afoul of any government or the State. The State can and does regulate what we can and cannot do on our property.

    I could go on and on but I think you get the point. November's election is really about maintaining the status quo of American State Fascism or going over to American State Marxism. Both forms practice State Capitalism.
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