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    Some Common Sense at last, I should bloody well think so

    ONE THOUSAND 'vexatious' war crimes claims against British soldiers who fought in Iraq are dismissed by investigators due to lack of evidence

    -Only one case is still being considered despite 1,000 claims from lawyers
    -SPA chief Andrew Cayley says it is 'quite possible' there will be no prosecutions
    -Former lawyer Phil Shiner launched claims following invasion of Iraq in 2003

    More than 1,000 war crime accusations tabled against British soldiers in Iraq have been dismissed - with only one case remaining to be resolved, it emerged today.


    Former lawyer Phil Shiner and his firm Public Interest Lawyers made more than 1,000 claims involving the British military following the invasion of Iraq in 2003.


    But independent investigators have since dismissed almost all of those allegations due to the 'low level' of offending and a lack of credible evidence.
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    Phil Shiner, for our american friends, was a low life lawyer scum, an ambulance chaser, a man that makes Lionel Hutz look honest. He was eventually struck off and disbarred from practicing because he was so crooked, and it was shown all these allegations he fronted were more to do with milking the Legal Aid system, out of which he made several million GBP.

    Phil Shiner - Wikipedia

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    There are always war crimes. Only some of the worst ever see the light of day. How could it be otherwise? They take a teenager, train them to kill and be willing to die , jack up the machismo and testosterone even higher and then expect them to go from battle to fear of bombs to interacting with civilians who may or may not hide danger.
    We should really try much harder to not get into war, especially boots on the ground war to begin with. Hint: If war was going to stop or even decrease terrorism it would have done so by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    There are always war crimes. Only some of the worst ever see the light of day. How could it be otherwise? They take a teenager, train them to kill and be willing to die , jack up the machismo and testosterone even higher and then expect them to go from battle to fear of bombs to interacting with civilians who may or may not hide danger.
    We should really try much harder to not get into war, especially boots on the ground war to begin with. Hint: If war was going to stop or even decrease terrorism it would have done so by now.

    well two points

    1. You cant really, in any reasonable consciousness, give a bloke a gun, train him to use it, then ship him to a foreign country, tell him to kill people whom the government has declared the enemy, and then prosecute him for doing so when he gets back home. If you allowed that, no one would join the armed forces.

    2. There were no war crimes, just the ordinary goings on of war. It was entirely fabricated. Shiner sent men out to to Iraq and Syria to look for iraqi soldiers, the they coached them in cooked up stories designed to get compensation, of which Shiners and his mates got a large slice, not to mention the collosal amounts of Legal Aid he raked in.

    Shiners operation was nothing but a get rich quick scheme, designed to milk Legal Aid. There was no merit whatsoever in any of the claims.

    As for War Crimes, they do indeed happen, but not in this instance. Shiner was, in that delightful american phrase, a 'shyster lawyer'.


    Shiner was investigated, prosecuted and disbarred:
    Shiner was charged before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal but did not attend its two-day hearing, after telling it in writing that 'he was unwell and could not afford to pay for a defence lawyer' (having made 3.2 million out of legal aid). He 'admitted eight allegations of acting without integrity, including that he made “unsolicited direct approaches” to potential clients', and he also admitted 'another allegation of acting recklessly'. Andrew Tabachnik, prosecuting for the Solicitors Regulation Authority, said that 'Shiner’s defence to the dishonesty charges ... was effectively: "I was not in full control of my mental faculties at this time and I didn’t know right from wrong and what I am doing.”'


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