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    Los Angeles sheriff reverses himself on gun control

    First sheriff Alex Villanueva declared gun shops to be non-essential businesses subject to closure.

    https://www.foxla.com/news/la-county...ties-to-patrol

    Then, the order caused a panic, this morning there were lines around a lot of local gun shops.

    Then, the sheriff realized he didn't have the authority to issue the order because gun stores had already been declared essential businesses.

    https://abc7.com/business/coronaviru...-open/6045568/

    And meanwhile, the same sheriff has let 1700 inmates out of prison, even though so far only one prisoner has been diagnosed positive.

    The sheriff doesn't seem to like the mayor very much. Which probably gives him a brownie point in this equation...

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    Great idea letting felons out. super.

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    declared gun shops to be non-essential businesses subject to closure
    sheriff has let 1700 inmates out of prison
    Lets see, go after law abiding citizens, but cater to criminals.

    Whats wrong with this pic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    First sheriff Alex Villanueva declared gun shops to be non-essential businesses subject to closure.

    https://www.foxla.com/news/la-county...ties-to-patrol

    Then, the order caused a panic, this morning there were lines around a lot of local gun shops.

    Then, the sheriff realized he didn't have the authority to issue the order because gun stores had already been declared essential businesses.

    https://abc7.com/business/coronaviru...-open/6045568/

    And meanwhile, the same sheriff has let 1700 inmates out of prison, even though so far only one prisoner has been diagnosed positive.

    The sheriff doesn't seem to like the mayor very much. Which probably gives him a brownie point in this equation...

    This should not be taken to mean he is pro gun.

    Rather, he's facing blowback and trying to minimize the damage.

    For those that don't know-LA city and LA county are different.

    And what both the mayor and governor are saying TO THE PUBLIC, in official addresses-IS NOT what is in the bills/laws/regulations they prescribe.

    For those that don't know-Californias AVERAGE IQ is 95, and half of the adults here are functionally illiterate (can't read at a 5th grade level).

    The "woke" dems in government spend much of the year scheming about how to fool these average californians.

    They even give laws and propositions names that are INTENTIONALLY designed to get their desired result.

    Im not laughing-I have no representation despite paying high taxes.
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    For those that don't know-Californias AVERAGE IQ is 95, and half of the adults here are functionally illiterate (can't read at a 5th grade level).

    We lived in Ca for 3 years. I won't agree about the average IQ because I don't know. But I will say that in general I found that people there had a "different" way of thinking that was more foreign than I've found in people in other countries.

    I can sum it up easy. The most NORMAL person that I knew in 3 years (normal being what I would consider a normal person) was a gay guy working in his mothers hallmark shop. Everybody else I met was strange (to my way of thinking).

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    L.A. County supervisors seek to remove Sheriff Villanueva as head of emergency operations during pandemic




    Three supervisors reached late Wednesday said the proposed change is months in the making and stems from the need to centralize disaster operations after a fragmented response during the deadly Woolsey fire, which killed three people and burned nearly 97,000 acres in Los Angeles and Ventura counties in 2018.
    But Villanueva said the timing suggests retaliation for his decision to close gun shops during the pandemic, viewing them as nonessential businesses.
    “This is pretty much a silent coup, what they’re trying to orchestrate,” Villanueva said. “We should be worried about masks, about test kits, and I have [Supervisor] Kathryn Barger worried about guns and ammunition.”

    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...va-coronavirus

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    Newsome & LA Sheriff being sued for Constitutional violations in fed court

    FPC, SAF, CGF, NRA File Federal Lawsuit Against L.A. Sheriff Villanueva, California Gov. Newsom Over Constitutional Violations

    BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |
    MAR 27, 2020

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)



    From the Firearms Policy Coalition:


    Today, attorneys for plaintiffs including individuals, a Los Angeles firearm and ammunition retailer, Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), National Rifle Association of America (NRA), California Gun Rights Foundation (CGF), and Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) filed a federal lawsuit challenging state and local policies and enforcement practices that violate Second and Fourteenth Amendment rights. A copy of the lawsuit can be found at www.firearmspolicy.org/brandy.



    “California’s attack on fundamental rights in times of emergency must be stopped in its tracks,” observed SAF founder and Executive Vice President, Alan Gottlieb. “This case is part of our mission to win firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time. And more, the lawsuits we are filing across the country are making a large number of other states, counties, and cities think twice before closing down essential gun stores.”


    “Twenty-eight years ago, the LAPD had to withdraw their officers to protect their safety. We hope that the stay-home orders will mean that our public servants will not become infected in this pandemic, but the Constitution guarantees that everyone has a right to acquire arms and defend themselves should law enforcement not be able to respond before it’s too late,” remarked CGF Chairman, Gene Hoffman. “No petty autocrat can be allowed to suspend the Bill of Rights.”


    “Municipalities and states that target lawful gun stores for closure aren’t promoting safety—by weaponizing their politics to disarm you and your loved ones, these shameless partisans are wantonly promoting a gun-control agenda that suffocates your Second Amendment rights when you need them most,” commented NRA-ILA Executive Director, Jason Ouimet. “NRA members recognize these unlawful power-grabs for what they are, and the National Rifle Association is proud to stand and fight alongside fellow Second Amendment groups who recognize it as well.”



    Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)



    “Especially due to the restrictive nature of California’s Byzantine gun laws that require the use of licensed dealers to buy and transfer both firearms and ammunition, the defendants’ orders and actions challenged individually and collectively violate the Constitution and individuals’ fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and due process of law,” explained attorney and FPC Director of Legal Strategy, Adam Kraut. “These irrational and outrageous fiat restrictions cannot withstand constitutional scrutiny and must be enjoined from enforcement.”


    “California’s State and local governments cannot simply suspend the Constitution,” FPC President Brandon Combs said. “This case is one of many actions FPC is taking around the United States to fight for liberty and freedom. The entire FPC team has been and will remain all-hands-on-deck, working around the clock on important efforts to safeguard the People’s individual liberties and property, especially the rights to keep and bear arms, free speech, privacy, and due process. FPC is fully committed to uniting the advocacy space and partnering with organizations and law firms around the country to fight government abuses and defend the People’s right to defend their lives and homes. We especially wish to recognize and thank our incredible members and supporters who make all of our legal action, research, and grassroots activism programs possible.”


    Individual arms applicants/purchasers and retailers affected by ‘stay-home’ or shutdown orders can report potential civil rights violations to FPC’s COVID-19 Issue Hotline at www.FPChotline.org.



    Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing, and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.


    California Gun Rights Foundation (www.cagunrights.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization that serves its members, supporters, and the public through educational, cultural, and judicial efforts to advance Second Amendment and related civil rights.


    Firearms Policy Coalition (www.firearmspolicy.org) is a 501(c)4 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPC’s mission is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially the fundamental, individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, advance individual liberty, and restore freedom.


    National Rifle Association (www.nra.org) is America’s oldest civil rights and sportsmen’s group. More than five million members strong, NRA continues to uphold the Second Amendment and advocates enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation’s leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the armed services.
    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” — George Washington

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    Do you think the Delaware gov. saw the lawsuit ahead that she couldn’t win?


    Delaware Governor Backs Down, Designates Gun Stores as Essential

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    MAR 27, 2020

    Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo (Kris Craig/Providence Journal via AP, Pool)



    From the Second Amendment Foundation . . .

    The State of Delaware has backed away from closing gun shops during the current Coronavirus pandemic crisis, a decision the Second Amendment Foundation says is the right thing to do.


    Under the revised language of the state’s emergency order,

    Firearms dealers may conduct sales of firearms, ammunition, and other goods directly related to responsible firearm storage and maintenance, by appointment only. No more than two appointments per half hour shall occur, and sellers are limited to operating during normal working hours they operated on prior to the State of Emergency. Any seller who violates such directive may be subject to criminal prosecution or other civil enforcement remedies up to and including arrest or the involuntary closure of the business.
    “This is a great win for Delaware gun owners and the right to keep and bear arms,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “After we sued New Jersey, our threatened lawsuit against Delaware, in which we were partnering with our friends at the National Rifle Association and Firearms Policy Coalition played a key role in bringing about this change of heart.”

    SAF is currently considering lawsuits against several jurisdictions over gun shop closures that were announced as part of executive orders that do not recognize gun and ammunition dealers and suppliers as “essential businesses.”

    “We’re delighted that cooler heads have prevailed in Delaware,” Gottlieb observed. “A considerable amount of hard work went into this, and to be honest, we’d rather not have to file lawsuits against anybody under the present circumstances.


    “We can think of no more essential endeavor outside of health care and emergency services during a time of crisis than a business that enables citizens to exercise their fundamental right protected by the Second Amendment,” he concluded.


    The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” — George Washington

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    The Texas AG stepped up and prevented the government from being sued altogether.



    BREAKING: Texas AG – Counties Can’t Close Gun Stores During an Emergency

    BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |
    MAR 27, 2020

    (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)



    As we noted earlier this week, a number of stay-at-home orders that have been issued for the higher population counties in Texas have resulted in gun stores being shut down. In response to the closings, Texas Rep. Dustin Burrows requested a formal opinion on the counties’ authority to deprive Texans of access to firearms and ammunition during an emergency.

    Paxton has just released an opinion letter (PDF) stating unequivocally that under the Texas preemption laws, counties do not have the right to order that gun stores be closed.


    As Paxton wrote,

    While the Legislature granted local officials certain emergency powers to address disaster situations, that local authority is not without limitation. Relevant to your question, provisions in the Local Government Code prohibit municipalities and counties from regulating, among other things, the transfer, possession, ownership, or sale of firearms, “notwithstanding any other law.” …

    Any attempt to adopt or enforce an “ordinance, resolution, rule, or policy . . . , or an official action, including in any legislative, police power, or proprietary capacity” taken in violation of subsection 229.001(a) or 236.002(a) “is void.” TEX. LOC. GOV’T CODE §§ 229.001(a-1), 236.002(b). The statutes’ unambiguous words disclose the Legislature’s intent: if a municipality or county adopts a regulation related to the transfer, possession, ownership or sale of firearms, that regulation will be void….
    Texas law does give counties the authority to regulate the use of guns during an emergency to protect public health or safety. However . . .

    Thus, municipal authority to regulate the use of firearms during a disaster does not grant authority to also regulate the transfer, possession, ownership or sale of firearms.
    In other words, cities and counties can’t order gun stores to close their doors. Period.

    You can read the entire letter here.
    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” — George Washington

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