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    As a philosopher here's another thing that has always bugged me.

    Why would a supernatural deity create natural hominid primates living in the natural world under natural law and then say if these natural hominid primates follow their natural instincts in this natural world created by this supernatural deity the hominid primates have sinned and are going to Hell.

    The only way to Heaven is for natural hominid primates to follow supernatural law for which the natural hominid primates are poorly equip to do.

    If a third of the supposed supernatural angels could not do it what makes this supernatural deity/creator think his created natural hominid primates could do it.

    Answer why and the follow up why not. Anybody that can answer those questions which have baffled theologians and philosophers for ages is smartest person on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    As a philosopher here's another thing that has always bugged me.

    Why would a supernatural deity create natural hominid primates living in the natural world under natural law and then say if these natural hominid primates follow their natural instincts in this natural world created by this supernatural deity the hominid primates have sinned and are going to Hell.

    The only way to Heaven is for natural hominid primates to follow supernatural law for which the natural hominid primates are poorly equip to do.

    If a third of the supposed supernatural angels could not do it what makes this supernatural deity/creator think his created natural hominid primates could do it.

    Answer why and the follow up why not. Anybody that can answer those questions which have baffled theologians and philosophers for ages is smartest person on the planet.
    I think theologians have parameters, generally...while philosophers do not. Honestly, even that statement is open to conjecture and debate. Philosophers could arguably have science as a parameter, or, theologians could have the same shared, but limited parameter of science (as just one example).

    I'll take a stab at it...right after you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    As a philosopher here's another thing that has always bugged me.

    Why would a supernatural deity create natural hominid primates living in the natural world under natural law and then say if these natural hominid primates follow their natural instincts in this natural world created by this supernatural deity the hominid primates have sinned and are going to Hell.

    The only way to Heaven is for natural hominid primates to follow supernatural law for which the natural hominid primates are poorly equip to do.

    If a third of the supposed supernatural angels could not do it what makes this supernatural deity/creator think his created natural hominid primates could do it.

    Answer why and the follow up why not. Anybody that can answer those questions which have baffled theologians and philosophers for ages is smartest person on the planet.

    It is a process to learn. Faith or let me use another word.....since faith brings to mind "mystical" connotations. TRUST is the very tool that we are equipped with along with love & hope. And not love in the sense of emotion. Most American "love" is more akin to lust than love.

    We had been hardwired with what we needed initially but were hacked out of that pre-programming.

    So now we have to be re-programmed by our own choice. And we can't do that apart from the master reprogrammer.....Jesus. But that is our choice. Do we stay with our corrupted virus ridden programming whereby satan is the hacker asking for ransomware that we can't pay or do we choose to let the reprogrammer upload His virus cleaners, His Word, His Name, Holy Spirit & then once we die be rebooted into a new & virus immune computer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianeye View Post
    I think theologians have parameters, generally...while philosophers do not. Honestly, even that statement is open to conjecture and debate. Philosophers could arguably have science as a parameter, or, theologians could have the same shared, but limited parameter of science (as just one example).

    I'll take a stab at it...right after you.
    I'll admit I'm not smart enough to answer the questions of why and why not on that. One of the reasons I came to the personal conclusion that there lacks any real evidence for a deity, heaven, or hell. It makes no sense to me for a deity to set standards so high that few if anyone can ever reach those standards than condemn everyone to eternal damnation whatever that is for failure to reach those standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    It is a process to learn. Faith or let me use another word.....since faith brings to mind "mystical" connotations. TRUST is the very tool that we are equipped with along with love & hope. And not love in the sense of emotion. Most American "love" is more akin to lust than love.

    We had been hardwired with what we needed initially but were hacked out of that pre-programming.

    So now we have to be re-programmed by our own choice. And we can't do that apart from the master reprogrammer.....Jesus. But that is our choice. Do we stay with our corrupted virus ridden programming whereby satan is the hacker asking for ransomware that we can't pay or do we choose to let the reprogrammer upload His virus cleaners, His Word, His Name, Holy Spirit & then once we die be rebooted into a new & virus immune computer?
    But how do you know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    But how do you know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy?

    It isn't exactly like satan heals & loves. How do we know that Hillary is the bad guy & Trump isn't?

    How do we know that Sanders & Biden are the bad guys or the leftist media are the bad guys/

    Not ONLY by what they say but what they do.

    And just like the Democrats are doing now.....they created this fear & panic situation whereby we needed some kind monetary & otherwise package from Congress but they will use it all to still accuse President Trump & his supporters lay it out as our fault.

    That is satan in a nutshell. He tempts us, we choose his deception {because like the Democrats we like to be lied to.....cons or conspiracy theories are easier to believe somehow} and we mess up but the very one that lead us astray accuses us.

    Exactly like the Democrats.

    So now you know WHO the bad guy is.

    Who would be the good guy? The one trying to protect you or deliver you from bad guy. Like how President Trump is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    It is a process to learn. Faith or let me use another word.....since faith brings to mind "mystical" connotations. TRUST is the very tool that we are equipped with along with love & hope. And not love in the sense of emotion. Most American "love" is more akin to lust than love.

    We had been hardwired with what we needed initially but were hacked out of that pre-programming.

    So now we have to be re-programmed by our own choice. And we can't do that apart from the master reprogrammer.....Jesus. But that is our choice. Do we stay with our corrupted virus ridden programming whereby satan is the hacker asking for ransomware that we can't pay or do we choose to let the reprogrammer upload His virus cleaners, His Word, His Name, Holy Spirit & then once we die be rebooted into a new & virus immune computer?
    So, given the question... "Why would a supernatural deity create natural hominid primates living in the natural world under natural law and then say if these natural hominid primates follow their natural instincts in this natural world created by this supernatural deity the hominid primates have sinned and are going to Hell?" the response and follow up have your reply to the question, above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    But how do you know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy?
    That's simple for us humans. The guy with the big ears is always the bad guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianeye View Post
    That's simple for us humans. The guy with the big ears is always the bad guy.

    So true. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    It isn't exactly like satan heals & loves. How do we know that Hillary is the bad guy & Trump isn't?

    How do we know that Sanders & Biden are the bad guys or the leftist media are the bad guys/

    Not ONLY by what they say but what they do.

    And just like the Democrats are doing now.....they created this fear & panic situation whereby we needed some kind monetary & otherwise package from Congress but they will use it all to still accuse President Trump & his supporters lay it out as our fault.

    That is satan in a nutshell. He tempts us, we choose his deception {because like the Democrats we like to be lied to.....cons or conspiracy theories are easier to believe somehow} and we mess up but the very one that lead us astray accuses us.

    Exactly like the Democrats.

    So now you know WHO the bad guy is.

    Who would be the good guy? The one trying to protect you or deliver you from bad guy. Like how President Trump is doing.
    What you've expressing is an opinion. There are others who have an opinion they think is just as valid as yours.

    We still don't know who the good guy is or the bad guy is.

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