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    Virginia House Assault Weapon Ban HB 961 Is Fake Grandfathering

    Virginia House Assault Weapon Ban HB 961 Is Fake Grandfathering

    BY CARL BUSSJAEGER |
    JAN 28, 2020

    VA Del. Levine demonstrating what a hunting gun is. Source: screen capture from .



    There’s a morbidly amusing speaking at a town hall meeting. This is a man who knows virtually nothing about firearms. (Be sure to swallow your coffee before pressing PLAY).






    We learn from Del. Levine that magazines are “red-hot,” mass shooting guns are “guns that go like this,” that “a semi-automatic is you can shoot with each finger,” and that his “assault firearm” bill carefully distinguishes between your hunting guns and the mass murder guns.


    I’m sure there was more, but I didn’t manage to view it all the way through.

    Most importantly, he asserted that, unlike Senator Saslaw’s SB 16, his bill grandfathers existing “assault firearms.”

    As it relates to “assault firearms,” HB 961 amends two existing Virginia statutes, and adds a third.

    First up is § 18.2-308.8. This is the statute that defines and outlaws “assault firearms.” The only exceptions to an otherwise total ban is for military and law enforcement official duties. Mere citizens have no exemptions.

    Next is § 18.2-308.13. This is the new statute and it’s what Levine is peddling as the grandfathering part. At first glance, you might think that’s what it is. I think there’s a serious problem with the fact that this bill creates completely conflicting statutes.

    Which statute do you think the state police will cite in order to arrest people; 308.8 or 308.13? Someone who is arrested, and their “assault firearm” is confiscated can fight back under 308.13, but that takes time and money. And you probably won’t ever get your firearm back. More on that later.

    Initially 308.13 looks like grandfathering, but there’s a catch. You have to legally ownthe “assault firearm” “on July 1, 2020.” On, not before. You may apply for a permit which requires registration. There’s an amnesty period ending January 1, 2021.

    The tricky part is the date of possession, and when the law would go into effect. The bill specifies no “law becomes effective on,” so it becomes effective once signed by Gov. Coonman. Once his ink hits the paper, § 18.2-308 kicks in and every newly-minted “assault firearm” becomes contraband unless it’s registered and permitted.


    But until ink hits paper and § 18.2-308.13 becomes effective, you cannot get a permit. Your firearm becomes illegal and you cannot lawfully possess it “on July 1, 2020″unless they stall the bill’s passage and signing until after that date. Which way would you bet on that?


    If the bill does stall for another six months, there’s still that 308.8/308.13 conflict.


    There are a couple of interesting tidbits in the grandfathering section. One is the government photo ID requirement.


    A person shall have the permit on his person at all times when he is transporting an assault firearm in accordance with this subsection and shall display the permit and a photo identification issued by a government agency of the Commonwealth or by the U.S. Department of Defense or U.S. State Department upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.

    That’s clearly racist. We know that because the same Virginia Democrats who are pushing this are also pushing HB 19 which eliminates the government photo ID requirement for voting because they say that requirement racially discriminates against blacks and minorities. (Yes, the real reason is to enable unlawful vote fraud, especially by illegal aliens who tend to vote Democrat.) But…racism. Take every opportunity to throw that in their faces.


    Another point goes back to that town hall video where Levine explained how this doesn’t ban hunting firearms, just those nasty mass murder guns that “go like this.”


    D. A person issued a permit to possess an assault firearm pursuant to subsection B may possess an assault firearm only under the following conditions:
    […]

    3. While engaged in lawful hunting; or

    Yes, those guns that Levine says aren’t used in hunting? Apparently you can use them to go hunting (despite being “wildly inaccurate”). Del. Levine is a blithering nitwit (as I took time to inform him).


    Now, I mentioned that if the police arrest you under § 18.2-308.8 and take your firearm, you probably won’t ever get it back, even if acquitted under § 18.2-308.13. That’s because this bill also amends § 18.2-308.28, which now specifies that firearms may be seized under § 18.2-308.8 and disposed of under § 18.2-308.29, which in turn says they can just destroy them.


    Buckle up, Virginians.









    so the law is worded in a deceitful manner in order to confuse and get the opposite of what it is claimed to do. I believe there is a provision in the Constitution for the method that the citizens may resolve the issue with a deceitful government that does this to screw the People from their rights.

    “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.” — Alexander Hamilton

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    Goddammit. How stupid can you be to display that kind of stupidity to the masses?
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    Not only do we elect Communists and Fascists to the legislature we also elect very stupid and ignorant people as well.

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    WOW, what a freakin moron! And this guy is in charge of laws? He doesn't qualify to work at Dairy Queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkTheSlayer View Post
    Goddammit. How stupid can you be to display that kind of stupidity to the masses?
    We're talking about politicians here. Stupid is limitless with them.

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    Virginia is getting precisely what they voted for, and they(the fascist state government)are definitely coming for Virginians guns, and Virginians will be turning them in and ratting out everyone who does not, you can bank that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineBow View Post
    We're talking about politicians here. Stupid is limitless with them.
    Yeah, I know. Cater to the stupid.

    I got a parish(county) newsletter today. First one ever from the term limited, state rep who is now head of the new form of gov. He makes more now than when he was in state government. We went from a century old, police jury parish government to Home Rule Charter Last year.

    We are in worse shape than ever, financially.

    Yet, the politicians love to praise themselves and all the "accomplishments" they have achieved.

    Reading that propaganda makes my blood pressure high. That's why I don't even bother going to the meetings anymore.
    I don't want to die arguing with idiots.
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    Ok, I'm stupid, and this is a bit off topic, but what is this venue that has all those flags of different countries in the background. I recognize Honduras. I recognize Puerto Rico. I recognize Colombia. Why are all those flags the background for some dumb Virginian anti-2A guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeceetx View Post
    WOW, what a freakin moron! And this guy is in charge of laws? He doesn't qualify to work at Dairy Queen.
    congress is infested with creatures cut from the same cloth.

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    The newest pearl of fuckwit demagoguery :

    Mass murder gunz


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