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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    You've lived in a state for your whole life. Have you been killed by the state? Enslaved? Aren't you receiving state benefits?


    I figured you had no source.
    Aren't you enslaved? Aren't we all? If you don't pay your property tax on your house, the house you already paid for, doesn't the govt take your house away from you?

    Do you have a choice about paying federal income tax? If you adamantly oppose abortion, you still have to pay your federal taxes and some of that pays for abortions. Or war, or supporting illegal immigration, or migrant resettlement. Don't you sacrifice your fundamental beliefs under penalty of jail?

    Don't you have to get the governments permission (FFL) to buy a gun? And soon to own or give up a gun?

    Can you refuse to provide a service to an LGBT person without facing the wrath of the government?

    Americans think they have freedom. If any of the Founders were here today they would be utterly appalled at the level of enslavement of Americans by their government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregonejeep View Post
    With all the crazy sht going out in the public now, if I drove a vehicle a lot today, I would put wide angle view camera's in my vehicle to where the whole inside of my vehicle was being monitored and recorded. Along with camera's recording everything on the outside totally around my vehicle, within a 25 yard range.
    I'm considering one for my bicycle. One can be had for 20$ or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris P Bacon View Post
    I'm considering one for my bicycle. One can be had for 20$ or less.
    Good call. Get 360 degree coverage (even if two are needed) just in case someone attacks you or a vehicle hits you from any angle while riding. Because IMO, just too many people today will lie about what happened, or not be able to accurately described what they saw with their own eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson View Post
    Thats true, for today. Times change. In less than 10 years, Venezuela went from a prosperous nation, the diamond of South America, to civil war. In 6 years (1933-1939), Germany went from a population of Catholic, educated, literate people in a technologically modern (for the time) nation to Nazi Germany. In 10 years (1956-1966), Cuba went from a prosperous nation to communist/dictator rule by Castro. And the list goes on.

    The USA has already started down that road. Today you re not concerned. In 5 years, it may all be upside down.
    This is somehow the beat cop’s fault?
    The people who vote for more socialism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson View Post
    Aren't you enslaved? Aren't we all? If you don't pay your property tax on your house, the house you already paid for, doesn't the govt take your house away from you?

    Do you have a choice about paying federal income tax? If you adamantly oppose abortion, you still have to pay your federal taxes and some of that pays for abortions. Or war, or supporting illegal immigration, or migrant resettlement. Don't you sacrifice your fundamental beliefs under penalty of jail?

    Don't you have to get the governments permission (FFL) to buy a gun? And soon to own or give up a gun?

    Can you refuse to provide a service to an LGBT person without facing the wrath of the government?

    Americans think they have freedom. If any of the Founders were here today they would be utterly appalled at the level of enslavement of Americans by their government.
    The cop on patrol didn’t cause that. The civilian voters did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    This is somehow the beat copís fault?
    The people who vote for more socialism
    are at fault.

    How do the socialists implement their agenda? The socialist politician and the socialist bureaucrat are not going to be walking the beat enforcing the edicts and they are not going to be breaking down your door. It will be "law enforcement". It will be that "beat cop".

    Its already like that today. Police are not longer there to help keep the community orderly, its not about "protecting and serving", they are law enforcement. "Law enforcement" means they work for the govt officials to enforce regulations and laws, not the community.

    Cops used to have discretion. Now they just arrest people and say "It's my job, fight it in court".

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    And don't think all those "beat cops" will walk away or refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws. Some will refuse, many will enforce the law. Remember during slavery and Jim Crow, there were plenty of cops enforcing those laws. In every dictatorship there are plenty of people who will be cops and enforce "the law", the Gestapo, Stasi, NKVD, never had problems with staffing. In Venezuela today, Maduro has plenty of "cops" who will act as thugs to try to keep the people in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson View Post
    How do the socialists implement their agenda? The socialist politician and the socialist bureaucrat are not going to be walking the beat enforcing the edicts and they are not going to be breaking down your door. It will be "law enforcement". It will be that "beat cop".

    Its already like that today. Police are not longer there to help keep the community orderly, its not about "protecting and serving", they are law enforcement. "Law enforcement" means they work for the govt officials to enforce regulations and laws, not the community.

    Cops used to have discretion. Now they just arrest people and say "It's my job, fight it in court".

    <>

    And don't think all those "beat cops" will walk away or refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws. Some will refuse, many will enforce the law. Remember during slavery and Jim Crow, there were plenty of cops enforcing those laws. In every dictatorship there are plenty of people who will be cops and enforce "the law", the Gestapo, Stasi, NKVD, never had problems with staffing. In Venezuela today, Maduro has plenty of "cops" who will act as thugs to try to keep the people in line.
    How about you blame the socialists and their voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    How about you blame the socialists and their voters.
    I do, but be realistic. As I wrote, the socialist politicians and bureaucrats won't be on the street enforcing their edicts, they won't be manning road blocks or raiding houses and businesses. It will be cops doing the dirty work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson View Post
    I do, but be realistic. As I wrote, the socialist politicians and bureaucrats won't be on the street enforcing their edicts, they won't be manning road blocks or raiding houses and businesses. It will be cops doing the dirty work.
    have you forgotten the carolina story where five cops showed up under a redflag attack and all five died? most cops are so arrogant they think thatll never happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    have you forgotten the carolina story where five cops showed up under a redflag attack and all five died? most cops are so arrogant they think thatll never happen again.
    Have not heard of that on, and could not find it on the web.


    The indications are that cops don't do well when facing a real threat. By "real threat" I don't mean the spur of the moment attack on a cop, I mean a threat by someone who knows what they are doing or have planned their violence.

    Such as Christopher Dorner, a man with some military and LE training who decided he would actively target cops. The LA cops were terrified to the point of outright shooting innocent people who the cops thought "might" be Dorner. At one point, they thought Dorner was driving a pickup truck, early in the morning 2 ladies were in a pickup delivering newspapers and the truck backfired or made some noise and nearby cops just opened fire on the truck.

    An when there are active shooters, cops are awesomely "cautious". In the Florida school shooting the resource officer hid. Many PD's standard policy used to be to not go in looking for the shooter until SWAT or other backup arrived. And when they confront an active shooter they often just shoot him, as they did when innocent John Crawford was "swatted".

    Thats part of what makes the Virginia situation interesting, if it proceeds to confiscation of firearms we will see how the LE handle it. I expect they will not want to do it because once it starts, people will organize and prepare, and it wont be long before a LE group goes on a confiscation raid and gets ambushed. Or they make a mistake, raid the wrong house, and truly piss off the wrong guy who will go on a vendetta against the cops.

    Go to the extreme and imagine a Marine Scout who served in Iraq is raided by accident and his wife or kids are killed. A guy like that could do some serious damage.

    And thats why when teh gov asked, the Connecticut State Police refused to do door to door confiscations when so few complied withe the Conn gun ban/registration.

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