Toronto Police : Leave car keys ‘at front door’ to avoid confrontations with thieves

[DonGlock26]

Leave car keys ‘at front door’ to avoid violent confrontations with car thieves: Toronto Police




Toronto Police are being heavily criticized online for what many consider a shoulder-shrugging approach to the rash of car thefts that continue to plague the Greater Toronto Area.At an Etobicoke safety meeting last month, Cst. Marco Ricciardi advised residents to leave their key fobs in a faraday pouch in a convenient place for thieves as a way to lessen the risk of violent confrontations.

“To prevent the possibility of being attacked in your home, leave your fobs at the front door because they are breaking into your home to steal your car; they don’t want anything else.“A lot of them that they’re arresting have guns on them and they are not toy guns,” he ominously added. “They are real guns. They’re loaded.”

That advice sparked an angry reaction on X, formerly known as Twitter.




https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/03/14/leave-car-keys-at-front-door-to-avoid-violent-confrontations-with-car-thieves-toronto-police/



Will the Toronto PD apply this logic to rape victims next? :thinking:

[Kodiak]

The obvious common sense answer is to arm yourself if the crime is that bad and have a shotgun sitting at your front door. But nooooo, the left wing loons that run Toronto want you to buckle to the crime.

If nothing else, I would at least have a sign making a potential bad guy think about continuing on. Although I have no idea of firearms laws there.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/9a/65/e89a65fb2b95a6d55968aeea8a67f0dd.jpg

[DonGlock26]

This is why I need a gun.


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/512k-wIVLWL.jpg

[Dr. Felix Birdbiter]

The obvious common sense answer is to arm yourself if the crime is that bad and have a shotgun sitting at your front door. But nooooo, the left wing loons that run Toronto want you to buckle to the crime.

If nothing else, I would at least have a sign making a potential bad guy think about continuing on. Although I no idea of firearms laws there.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/9a/65/e89a65fb2b95a6d55968aeea8a67f0dd.jpg
You can own a firearm in Canada but you must have a license to do so. I would suspect getting that license is about like getting one in California or New York and next to impossible.

I am a big fan of Murdock Mysteries. The story centers around a police station in Toronto Cn in the early 1900's. To appeal to Canadian sensibilities I suppose whenever the police capture a criminal they meekly give up, even when the death penalty will be the end result (which is no longer in Canada anyway). They show the murderer meekly submitting to arrest, even when its only one police officer involved. So, I guess Canadians think their criminals are so guilt ridden by their crimes they are willing to accept arrest. Here of course the cops need 10 or 12 SWAT Team members to arrest someone for jay walking.

[Kodiak]

You can own a firearm in Canada but you must have a license to do so. I would suspect getting that license is about like getting one in California or New York and next to impossible.


Then that would make a sign doable. The perp would have no idea if the potential victim is armed or not.

[Kodiak]

This is why I need a gun.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/512k-wIVLWL.jpg


:smiley_ROFLMAO:


Goldens are about the friendliest dogs ever!

[Rutabaga]

canadas new national flag:


https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/surrender-picture-id168629273?k=6&m=168629273&s=612x612&w=0&h=7VnWCAmJGNkC3KteaYarlTmGuLSWFJEO2hJAA6vzacY=

[Doug1943]

Another marker of the death agony of the West.

Speaking of Canada ... it's not completely implausible that a future crisis which saw the coming apart of the US, would also affect Canada in the same way. And I can see a new republic being formed by the people with commonsense (ie conservatives), which brought together both Canadians and Americans in a new nation.

[Sunsettommy]

Another marker of the death agony of the West.

Speaking of Canada ... it's not completely implausible that a future crisis which saw the coming apart of the US, would also affect Canada in the same way. And I can see a new republic being formed by the people with commonsense (ie conservatives), which brought together both Canadians and Americans in a new nation.


Except for Quebec which is French in identity and snobbery.


Canada is part of the British Commonwealth nation group and more here in the LINK (https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/multilateral-multilateraux/commonwealth.aspx?lang=eng)


Thus, not likely to happen.

[OldSchool]

I heard about "leave car keys at front door" on my radio news.

I was like seriously!?! Leave your wife's jewelry there too.... :geez:

[DonGlock26]

Another marker of the death agony of the West.

Speaking of Canada ... it's not completely implausible that a future crisis which saw the coming apart of the US, would also affect Canada in the same way. And I can see a new republic being formed by the people with commonsense (ie conservatives), which brought together both Canadians and Americans in a new nation.

Rural Western Canada seems to be pretty conservative.

[Neo]

Crikey! What the hell is happening in this world?

If my missus gave me the razor sharp elbow in the ribs to wake me up telling me someone was trying to break in I guess I'd put my hands on the Wakizashi I brought back from Kobe in Japan in 83.

https://i.postimg.cc/Sx8XFsCx/IMG-9807.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Kodiak]

I would grab this off my nightstand...


https://i.postimg.cc/YCnCJ99L/vp9light-Medium.jpg

[Rutabaga]

I would grab this off my nightstand...


https://i.postimg.cc/YCnCJ99L/vp9light-Medium.jpg


in the corner beside the bed...

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/48928-DEFAULT-L.jpghttps://th.bing.com/th/id/R.8341c32dc749752341a7e60dea4eee0b?rik=yajanWtVFB4 7vQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fgunsamerica.com%2fuserimages%2f12 8268%2f974406495%2fwm_6570882.jpg&ehk=qt7W83sTjj7J8CRVuyK4WY9O%2fbx4FRCngrpN0JgZSkI% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[Neo]

I would grab this off my nightstand...


https://i.postimg.cc/YCnCJ99L/vp9light-Medium.jpg
Can you still legally buy and use cast iron bullets for home defense?

[OldSchool]

Can you still legally buy and use cast iron bullets for home defense?

In Canada? Melt a few of them together and use them as doorknocker.

[OldSchool]

I would grab this off my nightstand...


https://i.postimg.cc/YCnCJ99L/vp9light-Medium.jpg

:cool20:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm a firm believer in weapon lights.

[old dog]

Can you still legally buy and use cast iron bullets for home defense?

Why on Earth would you want cast iron bullets?

[Kodiak]

:cool20:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm a firm believer in weapon lights.

That one is lazer or light with a flip of a switch on the rear.

[Kodiak]

Why on Earth would you want cast iron bullets?

I thought the same thing. More evironmentally friendly? Talk about zero expansion.

[Neo]

I thought the same thing. More evironmentally friendly? Talk about zero expansion.
Total penetration, no expansion, lethal at close range.

[Rutabaga]

Total penetration, no expansion, lethal at close range.
they're called "cannon balls" and are usually used in weapons like this:


https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.QMRyLxtPUDQVEGn3RacADQHaHa?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

[Kodiak]

Total penetration, no expansion, lethal at close range.

Dude, iron is not going to be any more lethal than lead if it just pokes a hole. Besides, I have never even heard of iron bullets. :thinking:


I'll take lead defense ammo that does this...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunsandammo.com%2Ffiles%2F2015 %2F03%2Ffederal_hst_ammo_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=6ba7ebbaa0d3710dec2ec925279fdd7cc12f25e569fa1c c816abd51707309c11&ipo=images

[DonGlock26]

I would grab this off my nightstand...


https://i.postimg.cc/YCnCJ99L/vp9light-Medium.jpg


https://img.mp.itc.cn/upload/20170624/e51416c8bf144b1fb51f7db65600e039_th.jpg

[old dog]

Total penetration, no expansion, lethal at close range.

Iron is less dense than lead ... less impact. Hard cast flat nose lead is better for penetration ... it'll take down a large grizzly from a 9mm pistol.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=389

[Neo]

Dude, iron is not going to be any more lethal than lead if it just pokes a hole. Besides, I have never even heard of iron bullets. :thinking:


I'll take lead defense ammo that does this...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunsandammo.com%2Ffiles%2F2015 %2F03%2Ffederal_hst_ammo_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=6ba7ebbaa0d3710dec2ec925279fdd7cc12f25e569fa1c c816abd51707309c11&ipo=images

In the 80s Guns&Ammo did a column on cast iron bullets. I remember everything. For home defence it’s ideal.

[Neo]

Iron is less dense than lead ... less impact. Hard cast flat nose lead is better for penetration ... it'll take down a large grizzly from a 9mm pistol.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=389
Yes! But to kill a person breaking into your home is a grey area still. Cast iron is ideal….no disintegration of the bullet, no expansion, just penetration.
For a home defence shell it’s ideal I believe?

[old dog]

Yes! But to kill a person breaking into your home is a grey area still. Cast iron is ideal….no disintegration of the bullet, no expansion, just penetration.
For a home defence shell it’s ideal I believe?

If you want to limit your ammo for less lethality (penetration not expansion) just use ordinary full metal jacket. That's the precise reason Geneva mandates it for military use.

Here's the nonlethal FMJ that penetrated JFK and Governor Connally (twice).

73539

[Kodiak]

If someone is breaking into my house, I won't be looking to wound them. I want to STOP them.

[Rutabaga]

If someone is breaking into my house, I won't be looking to wound them. I want to STOP them.

kill them and dump the carcass down an abandoned mine shaft.

dont ask, dont tell...

[Neo]

kill them and dump the carcass down an abandoned mine shaft.

dont ask, dont tell...
That would be a 2 hour drive for me to Derbyshire mines, and a two hour drive to the pits in wales…….
I have a thought? Dump the body in a gravel pit lake in Wiltshire….it’s nearer.

[OldSchool]

Dude, iron is not going to be any more lethal than lead if it just pokes a hole. Besides, I have never even heard of iron bullets. :thinking:


I'll take lead defense ammo that does this...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunsandammo.com%2Ffiles%2F2015 %2F03%2Ffederal_hst_ammo_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=6ba7ebbaa0d3710dec2ec925279fdd7cc12f25e569fa1c c816abd51707309c11&ipo=images
ahh... Golden Sabers

I liked 'em for my 9mm, but ended up going with Gold Dot +P for 9mm and .45

/edit: They aren't Golden Saber bullets, and they're not Gold Dots.... :thinking:

Answer: Federal HST
I haven't paid much attention to them, but they're on my radar now.

[Doug1943]

Except for Quebec which is French in identity and snobbery.
Canada is part of the British Commonwealth nation group and more here in the LINK (https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/multilateral-multilateraux/commonwealth.aspx?lang=eng) Thus, not likely to happen.

I don't understand. How does being part of the Commonwealth affect what happens in Canada? Quebec
could secede, or Canada could declare itself a republic, or split up into multiple nations ..how would being
part of the Commonwealth affect this?

[Sunsettommy]

I don't understand. How does being part of the Commonwealth affect what happens in Canada? Quebec
could secede, or Canada could declare itself a republic, or split up into multiple nations ..how would being
part of the Commonwealth affect this?


The LINK I supplied answers your question in some detail and more:



History

The modern Commonwealth is a values-based association of 56 countries (http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries), most with historic links to the United Kingdom and home to over 2.5 billion people over five continents.

Canada first joined the British Commonwealth as an independent state in 1931. The modern Commonwealth came into existence in 1949 with the London Declaration, and Canada has played an important role in its evolution.

Queen Elizabeth II served as the Head of Commonwealth during her 70-year reign. The role of Head has now passed to King Charles III, who attended the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in June 2022 in Kigali, Rwanda.

Canadian diplomat Arnold Smith served as the first Commonwealth secretary-general from 1965 to 1975. The current secretary-general, Patricia Scotland, is the sixth secretary-general of the Commonwealth, chosen in 2015, and is the first woman to hold the post.



bolding mine

[donttread]

Will the Toronto PD apply this logic to rape victims next? :thinking:

Right. I can't believe they said this. Well, I guess anything is better than the people having guns and being able to protect themselves!