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Neo
01-07-2024, 06:23 AM
https://news.stv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/9a99eeb7b4700ad6383c73bb06256ddc-1704622587-1080x720.jpgPA Media

Scottish independence would raise living standards and productivity, First Minister Humza Yousaf is expected to say in the first of a series of economic policy speeches.
Yousaf will speak at Glasgow University on Monday, drawing comparisons between the SNP, Labour and the Tories – including on the EU and migration – ahead of an election expected this year, as well as releasing plans for industrial policy in an independent Scotland.
His speech comes after a similar event held by Sir Keir Starmer this week, while Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told journalists he favoured the second half of the year for a new poll.
https://news.stv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/17ee620060ac1bbdb24d4a64546668bb-1704622583-1079x720.jpgRishi Sunak said he favoured the second half of the year for a general election.

In the first speech, the First Minister is expected to draw heavily from a report by the Resolution Foundation, which found that if the UK closed its income and inequality gaps to the same level as similar economies – namely Australia, Canada, France, Germany and the Netherlands – households would be £8,300 better off.
The First Minister will say: “If we use the same analysis for countries that are similar to Scotland – such as Denmark, Ireland and Finland – the difference for the typical Scottish household would be even greater. Scottish independence would raise living standards, Humza Yousaf to say in first economy speech | STV News (https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottish-independence-would-raise-living-standards-humza-yousaf-to-say-in-first-economy-speech#:~:text=In%20the%20first%20speech%2C%20the, be%20£8%2C300%20better%20off).

Whilst I do not ever wish the breakup of the U.K. the constant calling for an independence by the SNP leadership is disheartening, a constant reminder to us English of the extra tax burden we pay for a partially disgruntled population as proved in the independence vote that was given to the Scots on the understanding it was a once in a generation agreement vote.
Since then things have moved on, the price of oil dropped, covid19 and its extra financial expenditure has inflicted enormous pain to the government and the tax payer.

The British government will stick to the once in a generation independence vote, Scotland should just get on with governing itself through its Parliament and taxation we have given them.

Oberon
01-07-2024, 07:16 AM
Too small an island to go all balkanized. they won't be 'independent', in any case, that's just a silly illusion.

Common
01-07-2024, 09:47 AM
Neo Are there that many middle easterners in Britain ?

Did the British help to vote in your present President ?

Trinnity
01-07-2024, 10:14 AM
"Too small an island".

Victory101
01-07-2024, 10:30 AM
@Neo (https://thepoliticsforums.com/member.php?u=4696) Are there that many middle easterners in Britain ?

Did the British help to vote in your present President ?
I also didn't realize Britain was so far along that path.

Trinnity
01-07-2024, 11:04 AM
Read European News from European sources.

Neo
01-07-2024, 11:31 AM
@Neo (https://thepoliticsforums.com/member.php?u=4696) Are there that many middle easterners in Britain ?

Did the British help to vote in your present President ?

Our government is made up of elected ministers who have been voted for by their constituents, the ruling party elects a leader who's title is "Prime minister"

The dominant Muslim in the U.K. is Pakistanis not Arabs

Trinnity
01-07-2024, 11:54 AM
And Pakistanis are above all ese, Capitalists.

Sunsettommy
01-07-2024, 12:19 PM
Read European News from European sources.


Here is one to visit,


The European Conservative (https://europeanconservative.com/)

Neo
01-07-2024, 01:10 PM
Too small an island to go all balkanized. they won't be 'independent', in any case, that's just a silly illusion.
What makes you say it's just a silly illusion Scotland won't go independent, I'd like to know?

Neo
01-07-2024, 01:16 PM
I also didn't realize Britain was so far along that path.
Here is a very good link, well worth the effort to read it all. https://www.economicsobservatory.com/an-independent-scotland-what-would-be-the-options-for-economic-success

Oberon
01-10-2024, 01:56 AM
What makes you say it's just a silly illusion Scotland won't go independent, I'd like to know?

90% of their economy is oil exports. The rest is tied to Britain, with a little going to the Netherlands and Ireland. They will still be an economic satellite of The City and and few off-shore banking havens like Isle Of Man and a couple of others around there. It will never be 'independent', and frankly neither will anybody else. it's a fantasy. Every country is dependent on several others for something.

Neo
01-10-2024, 02:04 AM
Oberon, roughly 5.5 million people live in Scotland, quite a lot of English and other denominations. Roughly 250,000 people living in Scotland pay the 40% tax rate, the others are below The threshold and a huge portion are on benefits of some kind.
This is the real reason Scotland could never pay its way in the world.

Big Wheeler
01-10-2024, 01:18 PM
A lot of Scotland's desire to be independant is largely based on national pride which is fair enough.They have their own culture and there have been numerous instances of fisticuffs between them and England over the centuries.As a result of the Darien incident in the caribbean Scotland was totally bankrupt and in 1707 the Act of Union was signed in which,basically Scotland was bought by England.Since then,and particularly recentlyScotland has a hefty subsidy from England.They do have some revenue from oil but for how long?They want to join the EU who will be expected to subsidise them as do England.Unfortunately the EU do not want them.They want to adopt the euro but do not have a national central bank.In addition to that their population is a little more than 5 million,similar to my county of Yorkshire. The British government have no clue of our population but estimates it at 65 to 70 million.Of this 5 million no more than 50% will be taxpayers.The country's health costs are enormous and their drug problem is well known and a source of humour among Scottish comedians.Put simply,Scotland can not afford independance.

Oberon
01-10-2024, 08:00 PM
Basically these 'independence' movements are much about more local control of things like taxes, zoning, etc. than real independence. The U.S. system allows people the illusion of 'states' rights', while in real life the Fed usually gets what it wants, via a variety of subterfuges.