Belfast fires up again

[UKSmartypants]

Loyalists and Catholics toss petrol bombs at each other over the 'Peace Wall' as violence escalates in Belfast: Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster condemn 'deeply concerning' scenes



Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police in the west of the city and attacked a press photographer late last night
The youths hurled Molotov cocktails over some of the peace barriers into Catholic areas - which returned fire
Hundreds of others marched along the main streets under supervision from police as tension mounted in city
Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster were quick to condemn the violence, with PM last night calling for 'dialogue'
Northern Ireland Executive called a meeting of politicians on Thursday morning to be briefed on the mayhem



And they are off again. Then the idiot @StantheMan wonders why the British had to keep them apart for 50 years.


Belfast rioters attack police, a photographer and hurl petrol bombs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9447683/Rioters-attack-police-hurl-petrol-bombs.html)

The violence over the past week erupted after prosecutors said no action would be taken against 24 Sinn Fein politicians - including deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - for a huge republican funeral during the pandemic. Loyalists are also angry at post-Brexit trading arrangements that have created economic barriers between the region and the rest of the UK. They see the Northern Ireland Protocol as undermining their place in the Union.

[Common]

Its been quiet for many years, this was a reiigious flareup again ?

[dinosaur]

:geez:So the Protocol agreement to keep the peace has instead led to more violence. Northern Ireland peoples just like to fight. By saving the Good Friday agreement and keeping the Irish border open, they create a sea border that delays food? Oh yeah, that's some smart stuff right there. Disrupt someone's milk, meat, and eggs, and expect them to be happy?

But hey, rather than get it worked out and press government to get the job done, just hurl some petrol bombs at your neighbors on the other side of the fence. That works! :geez::geez: (two face palms, one for each side)

I have visited Belfast. It's a dreary place. It's difficult sometimes to understand foreign culture, but I sensed the whole place was on edge, there was a tension in the air. That was in 2015-2016. People were not open or friendly, and the food ... bad.

[UKSmartypants]

:geez:So the Protocol agreement to keep the peace has instead led to more violence. Northern Ireland peoples just like to fight. By saving the Good Friday agreement and keeping the Irish border open, they create a sea border that delays food? Oh yeah, that's some smart stuff right there. Disrupt someone's milk, meat, and eggs, and expect them to be happy?

But hey, rather than get it worked out and press government to get the job done, just hurl some petrol bombs at your neighbors on the other side of the fence. That works! :geez::geez: (two face palms, one for each side)

I have visited Belfast. It's a dreary place. It's difficult sometimes to understand foreign culture, but I sensed the whole place was on edge, there was a tension in the air. That was in 2015-2016. People were not open or friendly, and the food ... bad.


As expected. There was no problem with the Eire/NI border until the Idiot Vradakar came along ,and on the EU's instructions he MADE it into a problem, to beat us with. It a perfect example of the EU play silly buggers with peoples lives. The amount of goods that will get smuggled across is trivial in the grand plan of all things, and you will never stop it. The NI Protocol you can ultimately blame on the dirty remainer traitor May.

Then on the other side, you have a load of IRA terrorists holding a massive show funeral in direct contravention of covid law, and right in front of the Unionists faces, rubbing their noses in it, and the NI CPs refuse to enforce the law and prosecute them.

So both sides are pissed with the other.

The British were in NI for 50 years doing their best to stop this stuff, which happened regularly all through the 60's 70s 80's and 90's, and look at the thanks we got. And all the dead soldiers.

[ruthless terrier]

what with the US going back to the racial problems of the 60s .. it kinda makes sense for the IRA to somehow rise from the ashes again.

[Big Wheeler]

As I posted before,I have catholic (headmaster) and protestant (former police officer) friends in my village in Spain and the catholic guy will not go into any bar if the other is in it.As a truck driver I've been to Northern Ireland numerous times and I get along fine with the folk there.It's just that they can't get along with each other.

[donttread]

Loyalists and Catholics toss petrol bombs at each other over the 'Peace Wall' as violence escalates in Belfast: Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster condemn 'deeply concerning' scenes



Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police in the west of the city and attacked a press photographer late last night
The youths hurled Molotov cocktails over some of the peace barriers into Catholic areas - which returned fire
Hundreds of others marched along the main streets under supervision from police as tension mounted in city
Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster were quick to condemn the violence, with PM last night calling for 'dialogue'
Northern Ireland Executive called a meeting of politicians on Thursday morning to be briefed on the mayhem



And they are off again. Then the idiot @StantheMan wonders why the British had to keep them apart for 50 years.


Belfast rioters attack police, a photographer and hurl petrol bombs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9447683/Rioters-attack-police-hurl-petrol-bombs.html)

The violence over the past week erupted after prosecutors said no action would be taken against 24 Sinn Fein politicians - including deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - for a huge republican funeral during the pandemic. Loyalists are also angry at post-Brexit trading arrangements that have created economic barriers between the region and the rest of the UK. They see the Northern Ireland Protocol as undermining their place in the Union.



I didn't know that was still a thing. But there is no hate like religious hate.

[patrickt]

Its been quiet for many years, this was a reiigious flareup again ?

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Ireland) who also support Irish nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationalism). Protestants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Catholic) majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism_in_Ireland)."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Irish_nationalists)

[UKSmartypants]

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Ireland) who also support Irish nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationalism). Protestants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Catholic) majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism_in_Ireland)."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Irish_nationalists)


What a load of bollox/

The British are not in NI, we haven't been there for 15 years. So continually blaming us for whats going on now is just utter nonsense. At some stage you have to say, 'actually this is just plain religious hate between Protestants and Catholics'. Its now nothing to do with us.

It's to do with the fact the Irish can hold a grudge for 400 years with no effort at all. It's to do with the Battle of the Boyne of 1690, and the fact the Catholics want reunification of Ireland and the Protestants dont. But the one factor that's NOT now present is the British.

[Moonie]

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Always remember that the British Army was only there at the beginning of the 20th Century to uphold the northern counties being given to a United Ireland. It wasn't wanted then and almost certainly still isn't under Eire's subservience to the EU.
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[Authentic]

Loyalists and Catholics toss petrol bombs at each other over the 'Peace Wall' as violence escalates in Belfast: Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster condemn 'deeply concerning' scenes



Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police in the west of the city and attacked a press photographer late last night
The youths hurled Molotov cocktails over some of the peace barriers into Catholic areas - which returned fire
Hundreds of others marched along the main streets under supervision from police as tension mounted in city
Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster were quick to condemn the violence, with PM last night calling for 'dialogue'
Northern Ireland Executive called a meeting of politicians on Thursday morning to be briefed on the mayhem



And they are off again. Then the idiot @StantheMan wonders why the British had to keep them apart for 50 years.


Belfast rioters attack police, a photographer and hurl petrol bombs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9447683/Rioters-attack-police-hurl-petrol-bombs.html)

The violence over the past week erupted after prosecutors said no action would be taken against 24 Sinn Fein politicians - including deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - for a huge republican funeral during the pandemic. Loyalists are also angry at post-Brexit trading arrangements that have created economic barriers between the region and the rest of the UK. They see the Northern Ireland Protocol as undermining their place in the Union.


This is nothing. Wait until July 12. I doubt that them Orange Order Apprentice Boys can stay on Shankill Road.

[donttread]

It was never a religious issue except the poor native Irishmen were usually Catholic and the prosperous property owners were most often British protestants. Many Irish nationalists were protestants or not religious.

"Protestant Irish nationalists are adherents of Protestantism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Ireland) who also support Irish nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationalism). Protestants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) have played a large role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite most Irish nationalists historically being from the Irish Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Catholic) majority, as well as most Irish Protestants usually tending toward unionism in Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism_in_Ireland)."
Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Irish_nationalists)


I hear this about every religious conflict . I get that the old men who design and benefit from these wars don't give a hoot about religion. But on the other hand religion along with nationalism is how the young men who fight the wars or carry out the resistence are motivated and how their families celebrate the risk they take in doing so.

[Authentic]

what with the US going back to the racial problems of the 60s .. it kinda makes sense for the IRA to somehow rise from the ashes again.

Northern Ireland had its own civil rights movement in the 60s which triggered an IRA rebirth. Gerry Adams caught flack for referring to a "Balllymurphy ******" but there was truth in what he said.

[patrickt]

What a load of bollox/

The British are not in NI, we haven't been there for 15 years. So continually blaming us for whats going on now is just utter nonsense. At some stage you have to say, 'actually this is just plain religious hate between Protestants and Catholics'. Its now nothing to do with us.

It's to do with the fact the Irish can hold a grudge for 400 years with no effort at all. It's to do with the Battle of the Boyne of 1690, and the fact the Catholics want reunification of Ireland and the Protestants dont. But the one factor that's NOT now present is the British.
How long has it been since Cromwell was in Ireland? I wasn't suggesting the British were responsible in any way for what's happening today and Cromwell wasn't responsible for what happened late in the last century. But to say it's simply religious hatred is bollocks.

I'm not surprised a UKSmartypants would desperately want to pretend that trouble in Northern Ireland has nothing to do with anything England ever did.

The fighting is not about religion. Was the Holocaust Christians versus Jews?

[UKSmartypants]

If you want to point a finger, point it at the traitor Theresa May and the mendacious spiteful EU.

During Brexit negotiations, the EU, encouraged by the Idiot and Eu lapdog Vradakar, cynically set out to weaponise Northern Ireland to scupper a deal or at the very least heavily punish the British.

There was a perfectly feasible way through smart technology and a Trusted Trader scheme to have a virtually invisible border on the Irish/EU side.

But Theresa May and her negotiating team caved in to the ludicrously exaggerated warnings about how a land border would lead to a resumption of violence and the death of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

Out of sheer spite, the EU has chosen to interpret the rules as inflexibly as possible and cause maximum disruption. And, to make it even worse, Sinn Fein have been crowing mendaciously about how this leads inexorably to a United Ireland.

By the time Boris Johnson took over in December 2019, the pass had been sold. And, to get a Brexit deal that worked, he had to agree to an arrangement known as the Northern Ireland Protocol which impedes trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain

Brexit negotiator Lord Frost is working to ameliorate the damage but Unionists have a genuine fear that Northern Ireland is being cut off from the rest of the United Kingdom by an internal border because, once more, the Government has caved in to threats of republican violence.

Though the scenes of violence this week are sickening and no one could condone them, it is hardly surprising that some angry loyalists decided to follow suit.

Unionists don't much trust British governments and constantly fear being sold out.

Urgently sorting out the scandal of the protocol is the least Lord Frost and the Prime Minister can do to give the law-abiding and loyal Northern Irish people the centenary present they deserve.

[patrickt]

If you want to point a finger, point it at the traitor Theresa May and the mendacious spiteful EU.

During Brexit negotiations, the EU, encouraged by the Idiot and Eu lapdog Vradakar, cynically set out to weaponise Northern Ireland to scupper a deal or at the very least heavily punish the British.

There was a perfectly feasible way through smart technology and a Trusted Trader scheme to have a virtually invisible border on the Irish/EU side.

But Theresa May and her negotiating team caved in to the ludicrously exaggerated warnings about how a land border would lead to a resumption of violence and the death of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

Out of sheer spite, the EU has chosen to interpret the rules as inflexibly as possible and cause maximum disruption. And, to make it even worse, Sinn Fein have been crowing mendaciously about how this leads inexorably to a United Ireland.

By the time Boris Johnson took over in December 2019, the pass had been sold. And, to get a Brexit deal that worked, he had to agree to an arrangement known as the Northern Ireland Protocol which impedes trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain

Brexit negotiator Lord Frost is working to ameliorate the damage but Unionists have a genuine fear that Northern Ireland is being cut off from the rest of the United Kingdom by an internal border because, once more, the Government has caved in to threats of republican violence.

Though the scenes of violence this week are sickening and no one could condone them, it is hardly surprising that some angry loyalists decided to follow suit.

Unionists don't much trust British governments and constantly fear being sold out.

Urgently sorting out the scandal of the protocol is the least Lord Frost and the Prime Minister can do to give the law-abiding and loyal Northern Irish people the centenary present they deserve.
You see fingers being pointed when they aren't. I am simply saying it isn't a religious issue. The fact that many on one side are Catholic and many on the other side are protestant is not the cause of the problems. Unemployment, poor schools, oppression, and the same things that blacks in Democrat ghettos suffer are the cause of problems and not the person's skin color or his religion.

When the KKK ruled in the South the KKK members shared three characteristics: white, christian, Democrat. Were the bombings and murders Democrats versus Republicans? No.

Please address my question. Was the Holocaust Christian versus Jews?

[Rutabaga]

my god's bigger than your god...

smh

[Moonie]

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One side of the Protestant vs. Catholic debate in Ireland is full of hypocrites and not very favorable to modern society.
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[UKSmartypants]

You see fingers being pointed when they aren't. I am simply saying it isn't a religious issue. The fact that many on one side are Catholic and many on the other side are protestant is not the cause of the problems. Unemployment, poor schools, oppression, and the same things that blacks in Democrat ghettos suffer are the cause of problems and not the person's skin color or his religion.

When the KKK ruled in the South the KKK members shared three characteristics: white, christian, Democrat. Were the bombings and murders Democrats versus Republicans? No.

Please address my question. Was the Holocaust Christian versus Jews?


1. Catholics and protestants have been killing each other in NI for at least 300 years. The entire country is organised on sectarian lines, even Belfast itself is divided into Catholic and Protestant areas with 12 foot high walls between to stop them shooting each other from upper floor windows. This latest spat is because the IRA (catholics) think they are closer to uniting Ireland and are crowing about it, wheras the Loyalists (all protestant) think they are being sold down the river by the NI Protocol and are using the failure of the NI CPS to prosecute the 24 Sien Fienn people (catholic) for clear breaches of the law as proof. The reasons for trouble i n NI are always complex, but always boil down to Catholics vs Protestants. There is no other type of division in NI, not race, politics or class or anything else. Just which church you go to

2. The Holocaust is nothing to do with it. it was Fascism vs Jews. The attempt at an analogy is invalid.

[Authentic]

Is one side mostly peaceful Protestants?

[nyerattic]

Oh well.
As long as everybody has a "god" to forgive them they kill all they want.

[UKSmartypants]

my god's bigger than your god...

smh


Yep, thats basically what its all about at the bottom level, and always will be i n NI.

[UKSmartypants]

This is nothing. Wait until July 12. I doubt that them Orange Order Apprentice Boys can stay on Shankill Road.


Absolutely, The Orange Day parade is notorious. Its where the protestants celebrate Prince William of Orange 's victory over King James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. The Proddies march through catholic areas to rub their noses in it, so the Catholics shoot and petrol bomb them. Riots ensue.

Its like I said, these people can hold a grudge 400 years with no effort. And about things that happened long before the British got thier.

Williams troops were half English and Scottish Protestants, the rest being Dutch Infantry, and mercenaries from various countries, including ireland, Holland and germany. They were better trained and equipped with the latest high tech flintlock muskets.

James had several regiments of French troops, but most of his main infantry was provided by Irish Catholics, with some English and Scottish Jacobites also present. The Jacobites' Irish cavalry, who were recruited from among the dispossessed Irish gentry, proved themselves to be high calibre troops during the course of the battle. However, the Irish infantry contingent, predominantly peasants who had been pressed into service, were not trained soldiers. They had been hastily trained, poorly equipped, and only a minority of them had functional muskets. In fact, some of them carried only farm implements such as scythes. Furthermore, the Jacobite infantry who actually had firearms were all equipped with the obsolete matchlock musket. The French and Irish troops wore a white rallying mark, as a compliment to the Bourbons and to distinguish them from the Williamites.


So the proposition that the English fought only on one side doesnt hold water, patrick. The armies were organised on sectarian grounds, not race, nationality or class.

[Rutabaga]

some of the most heinous things done by man are done in the name of god...

i dont think god would approve of that...


god is not a "religious" entity...religion is a man made concept to control and divide.

god is not such a creature.

[UKSmartypants]

some of the most heinous things done by man are done in the name of god...

i dont think god would approve of that...


god is not a "religious" entity...religion is a man made concept to control and divide.

god is not such a creature.


Thats right, i agree, ive always said the problem with religion is it wasn't invented by god.....

[Rutabaga]

Thats right, i agree, ive always said the problem with religion is it wasn't invented by god.....

remember, religion trumped politics/nations/kings etc. in every way for a very, very long time...

its about CONTROL.

and control negates free will...

[Rutabaga]

and one other thing,,if religion were removed from the equation, something else would fill the void that would control/divide just as well...


like race/sex.

[UKSmartypants]

and one other thing,,if religion were removed from the equation, something else would fill the void that would control/divide just as well...


like race/sex.


Absolutely. Stalin and Hitler both recognised this, which is why they targetted and oppressed religion figures and religion. They replaced religion with nationalism, which was easier to direct and control.

[El Guapo]

and one other thing,,if religion were removed from the equation, something else would fill the void that would control/divide just as well...


like race/sex.


Environmentalism is the new religion. Do not doubt me on this. Humans are a tribal lot and need a hierarchical ideal to strive to (worship, if you will). A new one has been provided. It is now Gaia.

[Canadianeye]

Absolutely. Stalin and Hitler both recognised this, which is why they targetted and oppressed religion figures and religion. They replaced religion with nationalism, which was easier to direct and control.

They found some old notes from JFK admiring Hitler. I find the stunning words from JFK about "Ask not what your country can do for you..." to bear a similar theme to Hitlers nationalistic approach.

[Moonie]

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Are the churches in Boston handing out IRA collection plates again?
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