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Moonie
02-18-2021, 08:52 PM
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Nicola Sturgeon orders EU flag to be flown from Scottish government buildings dailyOpponents of First Minister say demand showed her 'obsession' with constitutional issues and 'makes no sense' in light of Brexit


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/18/nicola-sturgeon-orders-eu-flag-flown-scottish-government-buildings/
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TheOneOnly2
02-19-2021, 06:31 AM
England should declare war on Scotland. And kill every one of them.

dinosaur
02-19-2021, 07:42 AM
Nothing as stupid as biting the hand that feeds you. :dontknow:

1. My understanding is that Scotland takes more money from the UK than it contributes. Is that still correct?

2. Does Ms Sturgeon believe she can get a better payout from the EU?

3. Besides money, what are the other big issues? Scotland thinks it needs unfettered immigration to grow? Some great great great English grandpa killed her great great great Scottish grandpa?

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 07:53 AM
in order to find out who owes who, youd need to split the oil and oil/gas fields along a line that is ethically right not even concidering which has or will produce the most. and THEN you start by establishing the basis for how much scotland owes england for tin and coal tax

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 11:03 AM
Nothing as stupid as biting the hand that feeds you. :dontknow:

1. My understanding is that Scotland takes more money from the UK than it contributes. Is that still correct?

2. Does Ms Sturgeon believe she can get a better payout from the EU?

3. Besides money, what are the other big issues? Scotland thinks it needs unfettered immigration to grow? Some great great great English grandpa killed her great great great Scottish grandpa?

1. Yep, scotland spend £18B a year more than it receives, and the shortfall is made up by the English, and it amounts to a subsidy of about £1200 per head for each scotsman. This is known as "The Barnett Formulae"

2, She relying on it, because without Scotland would have to cut its spending by £18B a year, equivalent to its entire Local Government Budget. That would entail decades of harsh austerity and cuts. You have to understand this isnt about Independence, its about getting rid of the hated English. The SNP are a bunch of anti-english racists and to the small number of such people who have effectively seized power any price is worth paying, including bankrupting scotland and sending the entire population into a poverty that will make Somalia look rich and affluent.

3. There arent any issues, Scotland does very well out of the Union, and wouldnt be where it is today without being under the protection and largesses of the English.




in order to find out who owes who, youd need to split the oil and oil/gas fields along a line that is ethically right not even concidering which has or will produce the most. and THEN you start by establishing the basis for how much scotland owes england for tin and coal tax


Well first of all...what oil money? The Scottish oil fields are near enough shut down. When Saudi flooded the world with cheap oil and the price dropped to $40 a barrel, the Scottish fields became uneconomic. The rigs have been towed in and scrapped and the wells capped. Indref #1 was predicted on the fact the £18B a year income shortfall would be made up by the share of the oil revenue, but thats now all but gone.

On the other hand, Scotlands share of the National debt will easily strip it of all its secret reserves (the SNP have been stashing away money intended to pay for vaccination and pandemic recovery). They will lose the thousands of jobs that are a consequence of the UK military being in Scotland, from the RAF and naval bases like Lossiemouth, plus all the other work thats done is Scotland which would be switched to England like boat building.

Scotland doesn't have a central bank or gold reserves, so it cant print its own money, and the Eu has said it'll be ten years before Scotland can join Eu and it'll have to take the Euro. Meanwhile, they'll have to use Sterling, which means it has no control over its economy and interest rates. As a result, Moodys Credit Agency has rated Scotland as F, which means 'junk', so they will pay through the nose for credit.

Scottish indy is driven by blind racism, and damn the consequences, which are going to be dire for Scotland. The Union was formed because Scotland was bankrupt in 1699 and came grovelling to us to bail them out.

Oceander
02-19-2021, 11:12 AM
Sounds like the English rejoinder to Scotland should be very simple: "Careful what you wish for; if we're in a particularly peckish mood some day, we just might give it to you."

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 11:17 AM
Sounds like the English rejoinder to Scotland should be very simple: "Careful what you wish for; if we're in a particularly peckish mood some day, we just might give it to you."


Ive no doubt if the last indyref had included the English in its voting , they would have been roundly kicked out the union post haste. Sturgeon and the SNP are doing their best to piss off the English and make themselves unwelcome and hated.

Big Wheeler
02-19-2021, 12:10 PM
Another example of the mealy mouthed Sturgeon type anti English racism has surfaced today by the unmasking of a troll who abused "Captain Tom" in a grossly offensive tweet.His message was sent under a Scots independence slogan.Joseph Kelly,35,of Glasgow did not attend a preliminary court hearing.
"Captain Tom"died a few weeks ago at the age of 100 after tramping round his garden to try to raise money for the NHS.His intention was to raise £1000 before his birthday in April.He kept going and raised over £32million ultimately.

Big Wheeler
02-19-2021, 12:22 PM
Another thing the Scottish Nationalists overlook is that it was not only the English who gave the Scots a hard time around 1650 to the later 1700s.Religion was the cause.The English and the lowland Scots were protestants whereas the highland Scots were catholics;the lowlanders were not backward in their hostility towards the highlanders.
Ironically modern Scots put forward the kilt and bagpipes as emblems of their culture and national pride.In the day lowland Scots would have slit the throats of highland Scots they came across using either.

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 01:42 PM
Another example of the mealy mouthed Sturgeon type anti English racism has surfaced today by the unmasking of a troll who abused "Captain Tom" in a grossly offensive tweet.His message was sent under a Scots independence slogan.Joseph Kelly,35,of Glasgow did not attend a preliminary court hearing.
"Captain Tom"died a few weeks ago at the age of 100 after tramping round his garden to try to raise money for the NHS.His intention was to raise £1000 before his birthday in April.He kept going and raised over £32million ultimately.


Heres the dick

Glasgow man, 35, charged over 'offensive' Captain Tom Moore tweet | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9273781/Pictured-Celtic-fan-35-charged-offensive-tweet-Captain-Tom-Moore.html)



He tweeted 'The only good Brit soldier is a deed one, burn auld fella, buuuuurn' Capn Tom was a perfectly harmless old boy, a man with medals who fought for his country and was still doing good deeds at 100. Only a dick would make such a mean spirited, mendacious, perfidious tweet about a stranger like this.

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 01:44 PM
sorry smartypants. scotland produces enough oil at the present to have that in the equation.

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 02:15 PM
sorry smartypants. scotland produces enough oil at the present to have that in the equation.


Not according to

Scotlands North Sea revenues take a hit as fiscal deficit increases to £15.1bn - News for the Oil and Gas Sector (https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/north-sea/260923/north-sea-gers-figures-scotland/)

10 years ago, Scotland's share of North Sea oil and gas revenue was £18B last years it was $724M - loose change in comparison.

in 2016 Sturgeon admitted revenues had fallen to £6B

Scotlands oil revenues now account for less than 10 hours of government spending | Press and Journal (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1007078/scotlands-oil-revenues-now-account-for-less-than-10-hours-of-government-spending/)

In the same year arnig bells were sounding and its was predicted by the industry 150 platforms woudl be scrapped i nthe next ten years

North Sea crisis: 150 oil rigs could be scrapped in 10 years | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/north-sea-crisis-150-oil-rigs-could-be-scrapped-10-years-1483597)

120,000 jobs lost in 2016 from scottish oil industry
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-36491937
those losses confirmed one year later
North Sea oil and gas sector losing thousands of jobs, survey shows | Business | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/06/north-sea-oil-gas-jobs-oil-price)

30,000 jobs lost this year
Up to 30,000 oil and gas jobs could be lost thanks to coronavirus (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/28/30000-oil-gas-jobs-could-lost-thanks-coronavirus/)


And it gets worse. The cost of decommissioning and scrapping is eye watering ,this 2018 article points out the cost of scrapping and clean up will hit £17 Billion by 2025, if Scotland goers indy you're going to have to pay for a large chunk of that, cos most of the stuff being scrapped is in Scottish waters. So not only have you got peanuts oil revenue, you having to shell out megabucks to scrap whats left.

RMT hits out at latest North Sea decommissioning scandal - rmt (https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-hits-out-at-latest-north-sea-decommissioning-scandal/)

Sorry mate, the SNP is lying to you, there is no more Scottish oil. And the world is switching away from fossil fuels, no one is going to reinvest past peak demandand at $60 a barrel, which is break even for scottish oil.

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 02:49 PM
Here's the scale of the problem when it comes to decommissioning the worlds oil platforms (something thats picking up speed)


Brent sits on legs 140m high



Dossier: The terrifying cost of scrapping the world’s ageing oil and gas rigs - Geographical Magazine (https://geographical.co.uk/nature/energy/item/3086-dossier-oil-rigs)https://geographical.co.uk/images/articles/development/Ageing_oil_rigs/height_chart.jpg

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 02:54 PM
105. thats how many current license holdings there are. yeah no more oil......... we wont even count Bruce complex. as it magically disapeared.

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 02:59 PM
205/5a

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 02:59 PM
205/26

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 02:59 PM
204/25

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 02:59 PM
204/20

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:00 PM
205/21a

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:00 PM
205/22a

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:01 PM
205/26b

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:01 PM
206/1

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:01 PM
205/23

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:01 PM
204/19

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:02 PM
204/24

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:02 PM
206/4

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 03:04 PM
206/8.......and those are just the ones for west of shetlands. i can do scotlands north north sea licenses now should anyone ask. 92 of them

12icer
02-19-2021, 04:14 PM
Well Why do people put up with the likes of the trash that is always pushing, picking and causing drama in our countries. Why did cassius clay not go to jail and pay just as any other person would have? Why did william ayers get away with the weather underground murders? Why have all of the riots in cities been passed off and only a few mostly standers by been jailed? Why is it that they were not stopped by the national guard immediately and all involved charged and put away for long stretches. Why are the dimshit scum in office? APATHY!!!

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 05:02 PM
........so.........AFTER the tin and coal tax paid by scotland to england for the past using of their resources.....a line must be demarcated pronouncing the oil and oil/gas fields off scotlands coast. and the toll based useage of the trigg and forties pipelines and their associated refining and exporting.

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 06:51 PM
206/8.......and those are just the ones for west of shetlands. i can do scotlands north north sea licenses now should anyone ask. 92 of them


Licences are not the same as rigs. You havent discredited a single link i provided. The FACT is scotland now gets £726 m a year oil revenue where it once for £18B. The FACT is 120 platforms have gone, along with about 200,000 jobs, a trend thats now worldwide. The FACT is oil is in decline, and at $60 a barrel NOONE is going to pump the expensive deep wells in the North sea.

You havent addressed or disproved anything ive posted nor the links provided in evidence.

more links with more evidence

2017: How much is North Sea oil worth to the Scottish economy? | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/how-much-north-sea-oil-worth-scottish-economy-1454816)

North Sea oil and Gas production:


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/media/images/73184000/gif/_73184635_north_sea_oil_and_gas_624.gif

Peak Oil has gone, 20 years ago, 2/3rds has been pumped, whats left isnt worth pumping at $50 a barrel

Denmark is to stop pumping oil and gas by 2050, and wil lnot be issuing any more licences.
Denmark makes ‘landmark decision’ to stop pumping oil and gas in North Sea (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/denmark-makes-landmark-decision-to-stop-pumping-oil-and-gas-in-north-sea/ar-BB1bD1ls)

Other countries are going to follow suite as the world moves out the fossil fuel era. I repeat, there is no pot of gold in oil for Scotland, just a couple of silver coins. The twenty or so links ive posted covering 2018 to today unanimously agree.

UKSmartypants
02-19-2021, 06:58 PM
And thers something else to consider: Much of the remaining oil and gas reserves lie to the east and west of the Orkney and Shetland islands that are both strongly opposed to severing links with The Union. In fact both have said is scotland votes to leave, the will demand Independence from scotland and seek to rejoin the UK. And they will bring a large chunk of the remaining oil reserves with them.

and another source:

https://aleklett.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/oil-production-in-the-north-sea.jpg?w=594

Moonie
02-19-2021, 07:27 PM
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Who cares what Scotland thinks.

Take away the subsidies it gets from Westminster and just see the Krankies come out of the woodwork.
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jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 09:37 PM
Licences are not the same as rigs. You havent discredited a single link i provided. The FACT is scotland now gets £726 m a year oil revenue where it once for £18B. The FACT is 120 platforms have gone, along with about 200,000 jobs, a trend thats now worldwide. The FACT is oil is in decline, and at $60 a barrel NOONE is going to pump the expensive deep wells in the North sea.

You havent addressed or disproved anything ive posted nor the links provided in evidence.

more links with more evidence

2017: How much is North Sea oil worth to the Scottish economy? | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/how-much-north-sea-oil-worth-scottish-economy-1454816)

North Sea oil and Gas production:


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/media/images/73184000/gif/_73184635_north_sea_oil_and_gas_624.gif

Peak Oil has gone, 20 years ago, 2/3rds has been pumped, whats left isnt worth pumping at $50 a barrel

Denmark is to stop pumping oil and gas by 2050, and wil lnot be issuing any more licences.
Denmark makes ‘landmark decision’ to stop pumping oil and gas in North Sea (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/denmark-makes-landmark-decision-to-stop-pumping-oil-and-gas-in-north-sea/ar-BB1bD1ls)

Other countries are going to follow suite as the world moves out the fossil fuel era. I repeat, there is no pot of gold in oil for Scotland, just a couple of silver coins. The twenty or so links ive posted covering 2018 to today unanimously agree.
serica energy and hurricane energy are active producers in scotland and the frigg and forties pipeline supply gas and oil from scottish formations. you arent even from england, because you think english north sea oil production is dead. only a moron would think that at this point.

jirqoadai
02-19-2021, 09:39 PM
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Who cares what Scotland thinks.

Take away the subsidies it gets from Westminster and just see the Krankies come out of the woodwork.
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without fourties pipeline oil and trigg gas england would be in a world of shit.

UKSmartypants
02-20-2021, 04:41 AM
serica energy and hurricane energy are active producers in scotland and the frigg and forties pipeline supply gas and oil from scottish formations. you arent even from england, because you think english north sea oil production is dead. only a moron would think that at this point.


All the links ive posted, which clearly you havent read, say otherwise, the new concessions starting are on the few shallow fields left, which arent many. You arent going to get £18B revenue from oil as in the past, today its £726M, and thats a fact, Oil is not going to plug your £18B a year spending deficit, and neither is the EU going to cover it.

The scottish economy is £170B of the UK's total £2.8T, less than 8%. Scotland has made a packet out of the UK in 300 years, had there been no union, you'd be on the same footing as Albania or Lesotho, countries of similar size and population.


And then theres the pandemic. We are supporting almost 900,000 jobs in Scotland through the furlough and self-employed schemes and have loaned more than £2.3 billion to 65,000 Scottish businesses. This is on top of an extra £6.5 billion of funding for the Scottish Government. If you had gone indy, mate, you would be in dire straits by now without us.

UKSmartypants
02-20-2021, 04:45 AM
without fourties pipeline oil and trigg gas england would be in a world of shit.


As the 5th largest economy, thats simply not true. Scotland, on the other hand, is spending £18B a year more than its collects,, which we cover. You clearly are going to be deeply in the shit, unless you engage in austerity like has ever been seen. You can wave bye bye to all the freebies straight away, such as prescriptions and and university education. And that will be just the start.

Dubler9
02-20-2021, 05:54 AM
The Scottish people get all manner of free stuff. Dental treatment - hospital car parking - Higher education - and much more. NOT available to the English but paid for by taxing the English.
Sturgeon is as destructive for Scotland as Sadiq Khan is for London and he is destroying London in every aspect. I don't like the phrase "Londonistan" but in truth it is very apt.

jirqoadai
02-20-2021, 06:48 AM
hey smartypants. ever get tired of posting trash to back your outlandish claims? i can prove it very simply. your graff. it doesnt have germany, or netherlands production statistics in them. im very sorry you adhere to " oil bad, coconut stirring on Gilligans Island good "