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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolwalker View Post
    The Army made us all one, no individuals
    Yeah, same here, "individualist" was a dirty word!

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    For me, I've never been much for teams. The Air Force for four years beat the Army for two. After the first week I thought basic training was interesting and worked for most. I took a book with me when I went. As I recall the title it was Psychology of Concentration Camps. I got the book because it was thick and I thought it would last through basic training but I was amazed at the similarities between concentration camps and basic training.

    One that sticks is everyone was convinced the group in the next barracks had an easier time. Even though there were NCOs whose only job was to see that everyone was treated the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    For me, I've never been much for teams. The Air Force for four years beat the Army for two. After the first week I thought basic training was interesting and worked for most. I took a book with me when I went. As I recall the title it was Psychology of Concentration Camps. I got the book because it was thick and I thought it would last through basic training but I was amazed at the similarities between concentration camps and basic training.

    One that sticks is everyone was convinced the group in the next barracks had an easier time. Even though there were NCOs whose only job was to see that everyone was treated the same.
    Basic is to tear down the rebellious "individualist", get them in physical shape, and then rebuild them into a "team" member!

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    Basic is to tear down the rebellious "individualist", get them in physical shape, and then rebuild them into a "team" member!
    I understand that. I did get in better shape. I managed threer years of sitting at a desk using a typewriter without undue physical stress. As for being part of the team? Never happened. I enjoyed my work as a Russian linguist but the military lacked a basic sense of logic I needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I understand that. I did get in better shape. I managed threer years of sitting at a desk using a typewriter without undue physical stress. As for being part of the team? Never happened. I enjoyed my work as a Russian linguist but the military lacked a basic sense of logic I needed.

    No "esprit de corps," huh?


    My condolences...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverDrive View Post
    No "esprit de corps," huh?
    Absolutely none. I had a lot of laughs, drank way too much then quit drinking, and did my time. When my son asked me if I regretted going into the military I said, "Never regretted going in and never regretted getting out." My son stayed in because he got to spend ten years overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Absolutely none. I had a lot of laughs, drank way too much then quit drinking, and did my time. When my son asked me if I regretted going into the military I said, "Never regretted going in and never regretted getting out." My son stayed in because he got to spend ten years overseas.
    Had all that "fun" and was some of the best yrs of my life! No regrets here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverDrive View Post
    No "esprit de corps," huh?



    My condolences...


    Yeah. No Battalion , five mile run.

    Steel Pot / Kevlar , LBE, Gas Mask and weapon ;wearing a poncho .... while doing a FTX ( field training exercise ) in the pouring -- Spring time ; cold rain.

    Lets not forget the twelve mile -- tactical road marches.



    But yeah --- I know what ya mean.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OverDrive View Post
    Basic is to tear down the rebellious "individualist", get them in physical shape, and then rebuild them into a "team" member!

    Initial training --Its to :

    1) Get the civilian out of them and give them some Military bearing.

    2) To install discipline

    3) To teach a new recruit to pay attention to detail , and follow orders.

    4) Teach Esprit de corp ---- and that teamwork is better than individuality.

    5) NO MATTER how bad it gets , people depend on you. Push yourself - go farther than anyone else ....COMPLETE the mission. Lives are on the line -- deliver the ammo to the unit ; get the weapons to the line company. Lives are on the line - fellow soldiers can be in trouble. COMPLETE THE MISSION is all kinds of weather, difficult terrain, enormous odds , overwhelming enemy ---- FINISH THE MISSION at all costs ! To not do so...could mean death and/ or capture of your fellow soldiers.

    6) The US of A is the greatest nation on earth -- protect and defend her at all cost !

    7) To get a recruit into physical and mental shape.


    8) Us Army folks. Use your mind....think.




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