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    The Coward’s Cloak Of Courage

    If Trump expects a second term he will have to do a lot more to satisfy conservative concerns than he did so far. In fact, to date Trump did more for the ACA, DACA, and the United Nations than he did for conservatives.

    A God-Like Image!

    Everything Trump does is designed to build him up with a list of his accomplishment so the public forgives Republicans in November for not repealing the Affordable Care Act. This latest bit of misdirection would be funny if it was not such a cruel joke:


    Health Care: President Trump has taken three important steps that will help make health care more affordable for millions by injecting more choice and competition into the insurance market. The response from Democrats is illuminating.

    The cruelty is Trump making Obamacare more affordable —— not healthcare.


    But the rule change wasn't announced until mid-2016, and didn't go into effect until last year. Which means that all Trump proposed was to return to the ObamaCare status quo that had been in effect for three years.

    The American people better not fall for this crap:


    Trump also signed the GOP tax plan, which repeals the much hated ObamaCare tax penalty, making those short-term plans even more affordable.

    Guess what? Democrats were more shocked than Captain Renault:




    Democrats reacted to these changes with shock and horror, saying they were little more than Trump's way of destroying ObamaCare after he couldn't get it repealed outright.


    Trump Pushes For More Affordable Health Insurance Choices, And Dems Freak?
    5:51 PM ET

    Trump Pushes For More Affordable Health Insurance Choices, And Dems Freak? | Stock News Stock Market Analysis - IBD

    And whatever happened to the bipartisanship love affair on amnesty for illegal aliens?



    The way the media played up that meeting I thought Republicans and Democrats were the Founding Fathers writing the U.S. Constitution.

    A few observations about bipartisanship

    Bipartisanship is the coward’s cloak of courage. Every president who lacks the courage of his convictions invokes bipartisanship horseshit to avoid a veto. Notice that Democrats and RINOs like Lindsey Graham begin drooling the minute they smelled bipartisanship in Trump on DACA.

    The beauty of a veto is in exposing Republicans for what they are when they have to go on the record in order to override their own president’s veto.

    Incidentally, regardless of what you think about Taft-Hartley the Democrats joined Republicans to override Harry Truman’s veto. That override laid the foundation for bipartisan legislation that has been screwing every American since 1947:


    Harry S. Truman
    120 - Veto of the Taft-Hartley Labor Bill.
    June 20, 1947


    Harry S. Truman: Veto of the Taft-Hartley Labor Bill.

    This is what 106 House bipartisan Democrats along with 20 bipartisan Senate Democrats did to kill private sector unions:


    It forbade
    jurisdictional strikes and secondary boycotts.

    How Many Democrats Voted for Taft-Hartley?

    Basically, a union could picket a Mobil oil refinery, but they could not picket a Mobil gas station. That is a secondary boycott in a nutshell. That one clause in Taft-Hartley killed the American Labor Movement. Approximately 14 years after Taft-Hartley became the law of the land JFK handed the remnants of the Labor Movement to government unions.

    Finally, Democrat icon FDR, among many others, opposed government unions. Public sector unions is why I often say no private sector union member should ever vote for labor union candidates, most especially candidates supported by teachers’ unions.
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    Well I guess conservatives had best stay home or vote Democrat.

    We will never ever get a conservative president because to be truely conservative is to repeal Federalism and go back to a Confederacy and that ain't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    We will never ever get a conservative president because to be truely conservative is to repeal Federalism and go back to a Confederacy and that ain't going to happen.
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    Everything Trump does is designed to build him up with a list of his accomplishment so the public forgives Republicans in November for not repealing the Affordable Care Act.
    To Quark: I gave up hope of Trump/Ryan/McConnell repealing the ACA. I think most Americans already know that granting amnesty for illegal aliens has already been decided.



    So why is Laura waiting for the inevitable on amnesty for illegals?


    I’m going to wait and see what the final DACA proposal looks like.


    Ingraham Warns Trump on DACA: No ‘Big Beautiful Wall,’ No End to Chain Migration — ‘Expect a Political Revolt From the Base’
    by Jeff Poor
    10 Jan 2018

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/...l-revolt-base/

    Americans are screwed if Establishment Republicans hold onto Congress, or if Democrats take one or both chambers in November. The window of opportunity is rapidly closing for conservative Americans to stop the swamp creatures thanks to a lot of help from Trump. On the plus side there is still a few months left to find true conservatives before the nominating convention. Get just enough seats to block Republicans and Democrats from doing anything.

    NOTE: Conservatives have every reason to enjoy it when the media blames Republicans for whatever happens. As a bonus it would as sweet as honey to see conservatives shove it up Thump’s rear after he made all of those backroom deals with Ryan, McConnell, Schumer, and Pelosi.

    See the list of open seats:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politi...ker/index.html

    Finally, conservatives have an advantage because they can campaign for Democrat seats as well Establishment Republican seats. I firmly believe that Americans across the board are as so angry over immigration and Obamacare they will vote for a serious alternative to both parties.
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    The Repugs wouldn't do it but what did Trump do. That tax bill puts the death spike on obamacare.

    Look. he can't do everything, he's just the president. but do we have to abandon him this early. That is what the media wants. They want to destroy this country and they can't do it with Trump in the WH and us supporting President Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    That tax bill puts the death spike on obamacare.
    To Calypso Jones: Not so. Ninety-nine percent of Obamacare is still the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    Look. he can't do everything, he's just the president. but do we have to abandon him this early.
    To Calypso Jones: I can because I was never a big fan. I still see him as New York City bullshit artist.

    I went for Trump late in 2016 for one reason. I thought he might take this country out of the United Nations. I can now see that he is using Iran and North Korea to strengthen the U.N. in order to convince Americans that the U.N. is on their side. In short: The United Nations is not needed to defend this country.

    Notice that every one of this country’s enemies benefit from the United Nations while the U.N. works against this country at ever opportunity.


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    That is what the media wants. They want to destroy this country and they can't do it with Trump in the WH and us supporting President Trump.
    To Calypso Jones: The media is an instrument of big government. I cannot find one of Trump’s permanent policies that reduces the size of government. I am not asking for much on that score, but I will settle for shutting down the Department of Education, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Any one of those three will do for starters.

    I would include the EPA but that is an untouchable United Nations agency.
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    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Look, I understand where you are coming from but I'm also a realist and know that as long as Federalism is the law of the land it's all down hill. All my vote does is slow the slide. Federalism is the fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    Look, I understand where you are coming from but I'm also a realist and know that as long as Federalism is the law of the land it's all down hill. All my vote does is slow the slide. Federalism is the fault.



    To Quark: You are aiming at the right target, but to me the problem is that Federalism is out of balance. It will never be perfect. No form of government ever is. Repealing the XVI and XVII Amendments and abolish the federal reserve will come close. Repeal the income tax amendment first because that pays for everything. Everything falls in place without a tax on income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    I think most Americans already know that granting amnesty for illegal aliens has already been decided.
    Not everybody from California hates this country:


    While Republicans and Democrats work to produce legislation to grant legal status and a pathway to citizenship for people brought to the United States illegally when they were children, one Republican congressman says Congress should refuse to enshrine that policy into law to avoid a flood of new illegal immigrants looking to benefit from the same policy.

    In September, President Trump announced that the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, would end in March 2018, but also suggested that the people impacted by his decision ought not to worry. Barack Obama enacted DACA in 2012 and the program survived despite fierce criticism that such a change in the law should instead come through an act of Congress.

    With the DACA expiration now just weeks away, House and Senate leaders in both parties appear united in wanting to pass legislation to protect those impacted by the policy. A “Gang of Six” in the Senate is working on the bill, although President Trump has rejected their first overture.

    Many conservatives are urging GOP leaders and President Trump to use DACA as leverage to squeeze concessions out of Democrats, including a reduction in chain migration, and end to the visa lottery, expanded E-Verify at businesses and greater border security including at least portions of a new border wall.

    However, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., rejects the premise of the discussions. He doesn’t want DACA as part of federal law.

    “If we legalize the status of 850,000 young people who are here illegally, we can expect tens of millions of young people throughout the world to notice that.

    “If they would like the government benefits of health care and education that comes from legally being in the United States, there is no reason for me to believe this won’t obliterate our chances of getting control of our border,” said Rohrabacher.


    The congressman says once Congress gives the green light to putting “dreamers” on the path to citizenship, it may be impossible to restore integrity to the nation’s immigration system.

    “We’re talking about millions of people here who will be brought into this country and there’s no way we can build a wall high enough or dig a ditch deep enough to stop it after we’ve given them a treasure house of medical care and education.

    Amnesty for DREAMERS opens the door for blanket amnesty. The joke is that amnesty will become a battering ram that knock holes in Trump’s Wall. Illegals will go through, over, under, and around Trump’s idiotic wall like mercury through a sieve. Ten years from now the illegal alien problem will be worse.

    http://thepoliticsforums.com/threads...40#post1646840


    We are going to undo any good we can possibly do otherwise,” said Rohrabacher.

    Rohrabacher says even if the legislation agrees to significant limits on chain migration, providing legal status to people who came to the U.S. illegally will still be crippling.

    “We cannot secure our borders as long as we’re giving this ultimate prize to people who have made it across the border illegally. When we have young people like this, we’re notifying parents all over the world, ‘Whatever you do, get your kid to the United States,'” said Rohrabacher.

    While Rohrabacher admits many young people are suffering terribly in our own hemisphere and around the world, the resources of the United States only go so far.

    “There are people who are living in horrible situations overseas. Young people. We cannot afford to take care of every one of them while we don’t even have the money now to take care of our own people, meaning the veterans and the seniors and, yes, the young people who need educational training here,” said Rohrabacher.

    At an on-camera negotiation this week, President Trump was open to a two-step approach to immigration offered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who wanted a “clean” DACA bill now with a commitment to address comprehensive immigration reform later. Trump later explained he considers a border wall part of a clean DACA bill.

    Rohrabacher has no interest in that.

    “The only thing I would have a stomach for if DACA comes first is if it’s defeated,” said Rohrabacher.

    What do YOU think? Should DACA be kept or ended? Sound off in today’s WND poll!

    With Republicans, Democrats and the president seemingly agreeing to the general path forward to enshrine DACA, Rohrabacher says other critical voices are being ignored yet again.

    “What hasn’t changed is the American people. They keep getting left out of this as if their point of view doesn’t count. Up until now, nobody’s made the case to the American people of the magnitude of what we’re talking about,” said Rohrabacher.

    He says people who casually follow the debate think it’s about helping a few impoverished kids from Latin America or Asia when the facts are very different.

    “They don’t know that they’re talking about the large number of people that we’re talking about and the impact that it will have later on as people all over the world pay attention to the fact that if young people can get to the United States, we don’t have the heart to send them back. Then what we’ll see is a flood of millions more people coming in,” said Rohrabacher.

    Rohrabacher has been part of efforts to beat back immigration legislation in 2006, 2007 and 2013. He says public pressure clearly makes a difference.

    “The only thing that’s saved us from a massive onslaught of people crossing our borders from all over the world, many of whom probably would have been detrimental to us in terms of terrorism, it’s been alerting the American people that’s given us the leverage,” said Rohrabacher.

    President Trump campaigned vigorously on enforcing immigration laws and beefing up border security, most famously with a wall. However, Rohrabacher says the performance of Republicans in the televised meeting suggests most GOP members have no intention of pursuing Trump’s campaign vision.

    “I don’t think there was anybody in that meeting that was someone who was, on principle and in practicality, opposed to legalization of illegal immigrants,” said Rohrabacher, who admits no lawmakers would admit to such a label.

    However, the congressman says actions speak louder than words and the emerging talks suggest a major disconnect between lawmakers and the voters who sent them there. He says it could have a major impact come Election Day 2018.

    “We could turn off our base the same way moderate Republicans have turned off their base and lost elections for the last 20 years,” said Rohrabacher.

    Interestingly, despite his vehement opposition to congressional legislation on DACA, Rohrabacher is not guaranteeing a “no” vote.

    “I’m not telling you that if I lose in my argument that I will vote against any bill that has DACA in it or any other type of immigration reforms or changes they plan to make,” said Rohrabacher.

    “I’ll pay attention to the compromise to see if it’s possible that I could vote for it. I’ll keep an open mind, but I think it will do us great harm, so I would prefer not to have a legalization, especially of 850,000 young people,” said Rohrabacher.


    Rohrabacher: DACA fix would 'obliterate' chances of controlling border
    Posted By Greg Corombos On 01/11/2018 @ 9:19 pm

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/01/rohrabach...olling-border/
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    To Quark: You are aiming at the right target, but to me the problem is that Federalism is out of balance. It will never be perfect. No form of government ever is. Repealing the XVI and XVII Amendments and abolish the federal reserve will come close. Repeal the income tax amendment first because that pays for everything. Everything falls in place without a tax on income.
    And they never will be repealed. Actually, we can include the 19th and the Federal Reserve Act as well but that will never happen either. The Federalists won the Civil War and the victors get to call the shots. Federalism is going to ultimately destroy the country. I look for an amendment to repeal the electoral college in the very near future and than it will be all down hill from there.

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    Finally, Democrat icon FDR, among many others, opposed government unions. Public sector unions is why I often say no private sector union member should ever vote for labor union candidates, most especially candidates supported by teachers’ unions.
    FDR was right about public sector unions, but his objections never addressed the inherent evil in the government’s use of income taxes. So I will never understand why the SCOTUS does not put coerced charity on the docket. Surely, declaring coerced charity a First Amendment violation is a more demanding constitutional issue than the one most Americans never heard of:


    Caregivers who surrendered portions of Medicaid payments in an unconstitutional forced dues scheme are attempting to recover their lost wages.

    A group of caregivers petitioned the Supreme Court to overturn lower court decisions that blocked a class action lawsuit aimed at taking back $32 million from SEIU Healthcare Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Kansas (SEIU). The home health aides, many of them caring for sick relatives full-time, were forced to pay the union fees, despite the fact that Medicaid, rather than SEIU bargaining, established their reimbursement rates.

    In 2014, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Harris v. Quinn that the scheme was unconstitutional and that the home health aides could not be considered public employees. The plaintiffs argue the court should fully mend the injury caused by the forced dues system by allowing them to recover the back pay. If successful, the suit would establish that fee or dues payments must be made on a voluntary basis, rather than an opt-out system in which the burden of withdrawing support falls on individual workers.

    "The unauthorized fee seizure itself would inflict a First Amendment injury. So called ‘opt-out' requirements would be unconstitutional, as only an ‘opt-in' requirement—i.e., that the individual consent to the deduction of union fees—would not inflict a First Amendment injury," the petition says.


    Caregivers Want Back Pay From Union in Forced Dues Scheme
    BY: Bill McMorris
    January 13, 2018 5:00 am

    Caregivers Want Back Pay From Union in Forced Dues Scheme
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    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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