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    I had to mention Jack:


    1. Swiming from Alcatraz to San Francisco

    Even if you got past the guards, Alcatraz was supposedly inescapable because of the treacherous swim to the mainland. But at 60 years old, LaLanne did it, handcuffed, shackled, and with a 1,000-pound boat tied to a belt around his waste. To guard him from sharks, police followed him in a boat. LeLanne later said that the police officers had spotted two sharks just 20 feet away from where he was swimming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    I had to mention Jack:


    1. Swiming from Alcatraz to San Francisco

    Even if you got past the guards, Alcatraz was supposedly inescapable because of the treacherous swim to the mainland. But at 60 years old, LaLanne did it, handcuffed, shackled, and with a 1,000-pound boat tied to a belt around his waste. To guard him from sharks, police followed him in a boat. LeLanne later said that the police officers had spotted two sharks just 20 feet away from where he was swimming.

    Jack LaLanne remembered: five of his amazing feats - Swiming from Alcatraz to San Francisco - CSMonitor.com
    i remember that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    When was Alcatraz built?
    I asked my cell phone and it said that a military prison was built on the island in 1868. That was demolished and the modern prison was built. The prison was built with prison labor and opened in 1909.

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    I've visited the prison and did the tour. I highly recommend it for anyone visiting San Francisco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickity Plumber View Post

    Great job!
    Agree! Alcatraz probably is one of the ugliest places in the world. San Francisco? As Mark Twain once put it, he spent a summer freezing there once. Between 3:00-4:00 pm, when the fog moves into the Bay and covers the city, the cold wind cuts through you like a knife. I froze at a Giant's night game once in August there. A lot of Alcatraz is corroded, because it was built with iron bars as reinforcement for the concrete, corrodes in that damp, wet climate and island, and eventually, the entire place will collapse.

    They really should just tear the place down, but it has a peculiar history as a famous prison, for noted American criminals and gangster's, like Al Capone. Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles mobster who worked for Bugsy Siegel also was imprisoned there - and clubbed with an iron bar on his arrival, by friends of Jack Whalen who he murdered in LA.

    BTW, just a short correction on Capone, who had close ties with Miami. After he was paroled he was sent to John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, suffering from advanced syphilis, Hopkins refused to accept him, but United Methodist did, and cared for him well, that he donated two memorial cherry trees to their lawn. He was released, and returned to his South Florida mansion at 93 Palm Avenue, Miami, where he died in 1947 of syphilis. Doctor's who examined him after his release from the hospital in Baltimore, reported his condition was so demented that he had the mentality of a 12-year old. I know a couple of old retired police officers from the Miami department whose father's (also policemen), worked as private security for Capone after he returned to Miami. He wasn't active in the rackets, or anything but an invalid the rest of his life.

    Since Capone was mentioned, it is interesting to mention "Fast Eddie O'Hare" a Capone attorney, who lived the high life of prohibition, whiskey, women, song, with an elegant mansion in Chicago. Fast Eddie was responsible for the dog track scam that made Capone huge monies in Cicero and later in Miami. Simple - of the 7 dogs running - 6 were fed - 1 wasn't for 3-days, so the little electronic rabbit, with the scent of meat on it to attract the dogs, which created the illusion of racing, really wasn't. The fed dogs never could outrun the unfed hungry one. Took years for that scam to be discovered and reported.

    Fast Eddie also had a son, Butch O'Hare, whose lifetime ambition was to become a Naval aviator and attend Annapolis Naval Academy. He knew his son would never get the appointment because of his syndicate connections, so he was one of the many witnesses who turned over ledger's and financial records at his disposal showing Capone's income, which assisted in Capone's conviction for income tax evasion. Fast Eddie met his death on a lonely Chicago street later, from a drive by shotgun blast.

    His son, Butch O'Hare however, did get his appointment, and served with distinction on an aircraft carrier at the battle of Midway (or the Coral Sea - forgot which one). Most of his carrier combat air patrol were out searching for Jap carriers but Butch's plane was delayed on refueling, and left after his squadron was airborne. He couldn't catch up to them, but flying solo, he ran head on into 30-Japanese bombers, heading straight toward his unprotected carrier.

    He instantly dove from the sky and shot down five of them, becoming an ace in minutes, and when he ran out of bullets, actually used his aircraft to crash into the wings of others. The Japanese bombers turned tail from the vicious attack, and when O'Hare's hugely damaged aircraft landed on the carrier (I believe it was the Yorktown), the wing cameras told the tale. Something like 11-Japanese aircraft were splashed flying solo. O'Hare would later be shot down and killed over the Marianna Island's in what was known as the "Great Turkey Shoot" when advanced American combat aircraft of the times wiped most of the Japanese air force out of the sky.

    If one walks between concourse A and B at O'Hare Airport in Chicago (named after Butch O'Hare), you will see a statute of him - his Distinguished Flying Cross medal, and his Congressional Medal of Honor on display behind heavy glass. Isn't history strange........ Stan .....
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    A correction to my above post about Mickey Cohen and Jack Whalen. Three men were present at the murder of Jack Whalen, who was shot between the eyes. One of those men was Mickey Cohen. Also, although Cohen was sent to Alcatraz prison, it was for income tax evasion, and he is the only prisoner ever paroled out of the prison. The parole paper was actually signed by Supreme Court justice Ear Warren. Cohen was transferred out of Alcatraz, to the Atlanta Federal Pen, and it is there where he is attacked with a lead pipe and struck on the head, but he survived, eventually was released, and had a lively ex-gangster life in Los Angeles until his death from cancer........... Stan .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Fan View Post
    Agree! Alcatraz probably is one of the ugliest places in the world. San Francisco? As Mark Twain once put it, he spent a summer freezing there once. Between 3:00-4:00 pm, when the fog moves into the Bay and covers the city, the cold wind cuts through you like a knife. I froze at a Giant's night game once in August there. A lot of Alcatraz is corroded, because it was built with iron bars as reinforcement for the concrete, corrodes in that damp, wet climate and island, and eventually, the entire place will collapse.

    They really should just tear the place down, but it has a peculiar history as a famous prison, for noted American criminals and gangster's, like Al Capone. Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles mobster who worked for Bugsy Siegel also was imprisoned there - and clubbed with an iron bar on his arrival, by friends of Jack Whalen who he murdered in LA.

    BTW, just a short correction on Capone, who had close ties with Miami. After he was paroled he was sent to John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, suffering from advanced syphilis, Hopkins refused to accept him, but United Methodist did, and cared for him well, that he donated two memorial cherry trees to their lawn. He was released, and returned to his South Florida mansion at 93 Palm Avenue, Miami, where he died in 1947 of syphilis. Doctor's who examined him after his release from the hospital in Baltimore, reported his condition was so demented that he had the mentality of a 12-year old. I know a couple of old retired police officers from the Miami department whose father's (also policemen), worked as private security for Capone after he returned to Miami. He wasn't active in the rackets, or anything but an invalid the rest of his life.

    Since Capone was mentioned, it is interesting to mention "Fast Eddie O'Hare" a Capone attorney, who lived the high life of prohibition, whiskey, women, song, with an elegant mansion in Chicago. Fast Eddie was responsible for the dog track scam that made Capone huge monies in Cicero and later in Miami. Simple - of the 7 dogs running - 6 were fed - 1 wasn't for 3-days, so the little electronic rabbit, with the scent of meat on it to attract the dogs, which created the illusion of racing, really wasn't. The fed dogs never could outrun the unfed hungry one. Took years for that scam to be discovered and reported.

    Fast Eddie also had a son, Butch O'Hare, whose lifetime ambition was to become a Naval aviator and attend Annapolis Naval Academy. He knew his son would never get the appointment because of his syndicate connections, so he was one of the many witnesses who turned over ledger's and financial records at his disposal showing Capone's income, which assisted in Capone's conviction for income tax evasion. Fast Eddie met his death on a lonely Chicago street later, from a drive by shotgun blast.

    His son, Butch O'Hare however, did get his appointment, and served with distinction on an aircraft carrier at the battle of Midway (or the Coral Sea - forgot which one). Most of his carrier combat air patrol were out searching for Jap carriers but Butch's plane was delayed on refueling, and left after his squadron was airborne. He couldn't catch up to them, but flying solo, he ran head on into 30-Japanese bombers, heading straight toward his unprotected carrier.

    He instantly dove from the sky and shot down five of them, becoming an ace in minutes, and when he ran out of bullets, actually used his aircraft to crash into the wings of others. The Japanese bombers turned tail from the vicious attack, and when O'Hare's hugely damaged aircraft landed on the carrier (I believe it was the Yorktown), the wing cameras told the tale. Something like 11-Japanese aircraft were splashed flying solo. O'Hare would later be shot down and killed over the Marianna Island's in what was known as the "Great Turkey Shoot" when advanced American combat aircraft of the times wiped most of the Japanese air force out of the sky.

    If one walks between concourse A and B at O'Hare Airport in Chicago (named after Butch O'Hare), you will see a statute of him - his Distinguished Flying Cross medal, and his Congressional Medal of Honor on display behind heavy glass. Isn't history strange........ Stan .....
    Does the left want to take his statue down too? After all he killed all those non whites.

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    Who are you referring to? Butch O'Hare? Hero.........

    Who cares how many Japanese he killed in combat, it was combat, they were the enemy.

    Japan brought America into World War II, with a surprise attack which killed almost 3,000 American soldiers and sailors without warning, and sunk 8 battleships at anchor in Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941. All of those ships were raised, repaired, and fought again later in the war other than the Arizona, a watery tomb for over 1,500 sailors who died in their beds without warning.

    Since the Japanese started the war from the air, they got the British battleships out of Singapore, the "Repulse" and the famous "Prince Of Wales" caught them in the open sea, the day after Pearl Harbor, and the same in the Philippines at Clark Field, where General MacArthur was in command, knew the war was on, and didn't scramble his 200 combat aircraft. They were lined up wing-tip to wing-tip, when the Japanese bombers arrived, destroyed them on the ground, and made the Philippines an untenable and indefensible position when Jap troops invaded later. Led to the Bataan Death March. Neither Pear Harbor; the Bataan Death March or the rape of Korea and China, are mentioned in Japanese public education regarding World War II.

    Only the end of that war, the atomic bombs on Hiroshima, and three days later on Nagasaki, are mentioned. You will see thousands of Japanese tourist swarming over the "Arizona Memorial" with their cameras daily. The ship still leaks oil underwater, in Pearl Harbor, not one of them will be able to tell you anything about the attack.

    Since the war started in the air, America ended it from the air. Actually, the Marines island hopping campaign in the Pacific, and MacArthur's steady land assault there, was for the purpose of building air bases for our planes to bomb the home island's of Japan. The B-29's assault on the Japanese major cities destroyed more than the atomic bomb blasts did. But, we had the bomb, Truman dropped it on them, gave them a warning their entire culture and civilization would be destroyed if they didn't immediately accept the Potsdam Conference unconditional surrender terms. Their Emperor, and warlord military stupidly ignored the warning - they knew immediately what hit Hiroshima, atomic technology had been around since the 1920's. Delayed, and three days later it cost 35,000 Japanese civilians their lives at Nagasaki. Only the dead Japanese from the atomic bomb blast's are mentioned in their history - their delay, which cost all those deaths at Nagasaki, never recorded in their histories. They finally decided to surrender.

    When asked if he ever regretted ordering the atomic bomb drops, Truman stated he was the President of the United States for the better part of 7-years, and in the closing years of the war, waiting patiently for somebody to apologize for Pearl Harbor. Japan never did - Japan never has. They richly deserved the fury from the sky's that was delivered on them, after Pearl Harbor; Wake Island; Guam; Saipan; Guadacanal; Philippines; Korea; Singapore; Bougainvillea; Palilu; Tarawa; New Guinea; Iwo Jima and Okinawa...........my father fought with the Third Marines on Bougainvillea; Guam and Iwo Jima, received a Purple Heart there.

    I don't think anybody on the left wants to tear down Butch O'Hare's statute at the Chicago airport, they deserved what they got, and Truman's actions saved millions of Japanese and American lives from a direct assault on their home islands in 1945. American taxpayers rebuilt Japan into a stable, trustworthy ally, under a wise occupation policy, which surprisingly was directed by a military man, General Douglas MacArthur. Like Patton and Custer, vainglorious, eventually clashing with Truman and getting fired, however, he did a magnificent job of building Japan from a shogun nation into the Western democracy and economic power it is today.

    Kim Jung in North Korea, should be paying attention to President Trump's message, about fury from the sky's of which the world has never seen (remark is almost verbatim to Truman's warning to the Japanese after Hiroshima in 1945, which they ignored stupidly.

    Anybody care about the dead of World War II? Yes certainly, but combat is combat, politics at its highest (or lowest level). It is a bit more serious than road rage, and gets quite a few millions of people killed routinely. The world hates war, unfortunately, it remains a dangerous and sometimes necessary tool.

    America is about the only country that has ever in its history, failed to use its military might to conquer the world. North Korea will regret immediately, challenging Trump, because they won't last an hour once he gives the order to eliminate the threat. As a courtesy, he probably will tell China five minutes before the assault is launched (it won't be ground troops), just to let the Chinese know that they could have avoided it all, if they had acted first against their violent cousins, the North Korean's, who didn't learn a damn thing from the last time they tangled with America in the 1950's.......... Stan .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Fan View Post
    Agree! Alcatraz probably is one of the ugliest places in the world. San Francisco? As Mark Twain once put it, he spent a summer freezing there once. Between 3:00-4:00 pm, when the fog moves into the Bay and covers the city, the cold wind cuts through you like a knife. I froze at a Giant's night game once in August there. A lot of Alcatraz is corroded, because it was built with iron bars as reinforcement for the concrete, corrodes in that damp, wet climate and island, and eventually, the entire place will collapse.

    They really should just tear the place down, but it has a peculiar history as a famous prison, for noted American criminals and gangster's, like Al Capone. Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles mobster who worked for Bugsy Siegel also was imprisoned there - and clubbed with an iron bar on his arrival, by friends of Jack Whalen who he murdered in LA.

    BTW, just a short correction on Capone, who had close ties with Miami. After he was paroled he was sent to John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, suffering from advanced syphilis, Hopkins refused to accept him, but United Methodist did, and cared for him well, that he donated two memorial cherry trees to their lawn. He was released, and returned to his South Florida mansion at 93 Palm Avenue, Miami, where he died in 1947 of syphilis. Doctor's who examined him after his release from the hospital in Baltimore, reported his condition was so demented that he had the mentality of a 12-year old. I know a couple of old retired police officers from the Miami department whose father's (also policemen), worked as private security for Capone after he returned to Miami. He wasn't active in the rackets, or anything but an invalid the rest of his life.

    Since Capone was mentioned, it is interesting to mention "Fast Eddie O'Hare" a Capone attorney, who lived the high life of prohibition, whiskey, women, song, with an elegant mansion in Chicago. Fast Eddie was responsible for the dog track scam that made Capone huge monies in Cicero and later in Miami. Simple - of the 7 dogs running - 6 were fed - 1 wasn't for 3-days, so the little electronic rabbit, with the scent of meat on it to attract the dogs, which created the illusion of racing, really wasn't. The fed dogs never could outrun the unfed hungry one. Took years for that scam to be discovered and reported.

    Fast Eddie also had a son, Butch O'Hare, whose lifetime ambition was to become a Naval aviator and attend Annapolis Naval Academy. He knew his son would never get the appointment because of his syndicate connections, so he was one of the many witnesses who turned over ledger's and financial records at his disposal showing Capone's income, which assisted in Capone's conviction for income tax evasion. Fast Eddie met his death on a lonely Chicago street later, from a drive by shotgun blast.

    His son, Butch O'Hare however, did get his appointment, and served with distinction on an aircraft carrier at the battle of Midway (or the Coral Sea - forgot which one). Most of his carrier combat air patrol were out searching for Jap carriers but Butch's plane was delayed on refueling, and left after his squadron was airborne. He couldn't catch up to them, but flying solo, he ran head on into 30-Japanese bombers, heading straight toward his unprotected carrier.

    He instantly dove from the sky and shot down five of them, becoming an ace in minutes, and when he ran out of bullets, actually used his aircraft to crash into the wings of others. The Japanese bombers turned tail from the vicious attack, and when O'Hare's hugely damaged aircraft landed on the carrier (I believe it was the Yorktown), the wing cameras told the tale. Something like 11-Japanese aircraft were splashed flying solo. O'Hare would later be shot down and killed over the Marianna Island's in what was known as the "Great Turkey Shoot" when advanced American combat aircraft of the times wiped most of the Japanese air force out of the sky.

    If one walks between concourse A and B at O'Hare Airport in Chicago (named after Butch O'Hare), you will see a statute of him - his Distinguished Flying Cross medal, and his Congressional Medal of Honor on display behind heavy glass. Isn't history strange........ Stan .....
    Thanks for reminding me of the history.

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    I think the question regarding tearing down Butch Ohare's statute was facetious and in regard to all those who want to tear down Confederate monuments. I doubt seriously that he was in favor of tearing down the statute.
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