User Tag List

Page 15 of 15 FirstFirst ... 589101112131415
Results 141 to 143 of 143

Thread: David Duke Rants Against Lib Media and Jewish Control of Banks etc.

  1. #141
    Eclectic Conservative Forum Donor
    Overall activity: 25.0%

    BobJam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    Arizona, USA
    Posts
    508
    Thanks
    1,159
    Thanked: 523
    Rep Power
    5177569
    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar View Post
    That argument didn't fly in Nuremberg and it doesn't here.

    No.
    @Oskar

    Where to start . . .

    * OK . . . first, if you're talking about the "Nuremberg Defense" (AKA "Superior orders", or "Befehl ist Befehl" {literally "an order is an order"}, or "I was only following orders"), then you have it bass ackwards.

    You are correct that it was rejected. But that is the only thing you're correct about.

    The Nuremberg Defense ONLY applies to underlings, subordinates, followers, or worker bees (which in Manson's case would be Susan Atkins, Charles "Tex" Watson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Linda Kasabian, the prosecution's key witness, Patricia Krenwinkel, Mary Brunner, Sandra Good, Paul Watkins, Bobby Beausoleil, Leslie Van Houten, Catherine Share, and Steve "Clem" Grogan).

    It DOES NOT apply to the ORIGINATOR of the order. The buck stopped at Manson. Manson was the head of the "family". There was no human being higher than him about which he could have said, "I was only following orders". Manson MADE UP/GAVE the orders, thus he couldn't use the Nuremberg Defense (which would have been denied anyway).

    Manson mug shot in 1971:




    Manson in 2014, age 80.


    * You answered the question, "Do you believe then that if Charles Manson "orders" an action, that Charles Manson is just as responsible for it as the one who committed the action?" with "NO".

    In U.S. jurisprudence, there is a concept/legal phrase called "accessory before the fact". What that means is that a person who ORDERS a crime to be committed, even though that person does not actually participate in the commission of the crime, is just as guilty of committing the crime as the "principal" (the "principal" is the one whose act is the most immediate cause of the crime).

    From the U.S. Code: "Whoever aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures the commission of an offense, is punishable as a principal."

    (BTW, we're talking about Manson here . . . and while this thread is focused on Duke, you opened the door for this when you stated that Manson should not have been jailed.)

    Acting under the instructions of Manson, Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel brutally killed five people: actress Sharon Tate (who was eight months pregnant), Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, and Wojciech Frykowski, and Stephen Parent.

    On Manson's orders, six Family members . . . Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Steve "Clem" Grogan brutally killed Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. Manson joined the six, "to show them how to do it."

    Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. After Rosemary was brought briefly into the living room from the bedroom, Watson followed Manson's instructions to cover the couple's heads with pillowcases. He bound these in place with lamp cords. Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.

    Manson was convicted on seven counts of first-degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of Abigail Ann Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Steven Earl Parent, Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring and Leno and Rosemary La Bianca.
    BJ

    Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics.



  2. #142
    Eclectic Conservative Forum Donor
    Overall activity: 25.0%

    BobJam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    Arizona, USA
    Posts
    508
    Thanks
    1,159
    Thanked: 523
    Rep Power
    5177569
    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar View Post
    That argument didn't fly in Nuremberg and it doesn't here.

    No.
    @Oskar

    Where to start . . .

    * OK . . . first, if you're talking about the "Nuremberg Defense" (AKA "Superior orders", or "Befehl ist Befehl" {literally "an order is an order"}, or "I was only following orders"), then you have it bass ackwards.

    You are correct that it was rejected. But that is the only thing you're correct about.

    The Nuremberg Defense ONLY applies to underlings, subordinates, followers, or worker bees (which in Manson's case would be Susan Atkins, Charles "Tex" Watson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Linda Kasabian, the prosecution's key witness, Patricia Krenwinkel, Mary Brunner, Sandra Good, Paul Watkins, Bobby Beausoleil, Leslie Van Houten, Catherine Share, and Steve "Clem" Grogan).

    It DOES NOT apply to the ORIGINATOR of the order. The buck stopped at Manson. Manson was the head of the "family". There was no human being higher than him about which he could have said, "I was only following orders". Manson MADE UP/GAVE the orders, thus he couldn't use the Nuremberg Defense (which would have been denied anyway).

    Manson mug shot in 1971:




    Manson in 2014, age 80.


    * You answered the question, "Do you believe then that if Charles Manson "orders" an action, that Charles Manson is just as responsible for it as the one who committed the action?" with "NO".

    In U.S. jurisprudence, there is a concept/legal phrase called "accessory before the fact". What that means is that a person who ORDERS a crime to be committed, even though that person does not actually participate in the commission of the crime, is just as guilty of committing the crime as the "principal" (the "principal" is the one whose act is the most immediate cause of the crime).

    From the U.S. Code: "Whoever aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures the commission of an offense, is punishable as a principal."

    (BTW, we're talking about Manson here . . . and while this thread is focused on Duke, you opened the door for this when you stated that Manson should not have been jailed.)

    Acting under the instructions of Manson, Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel brutally killed five people: actress Sharon Tate (who was eight months pregnant), Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, and Wojciech Frykowski, and Stephen Parent.

    On Manson's orders, six Family members . . . Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Steve "Clem" Grogan brutally killed Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. Manson joined the six, "to show them how to do it."

    Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. After Rosemary was brought briefly into the living room from the bedroom, Watson followed Manson's instructions to cover the couple's heads with pillowcases. He bound these in place with lamp cords. Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.

    Manson was convicted on seven counts of first-degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of Abigail Ann Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Steven Earl Parent, Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring and Leno and Rosemary La Bianca.
    BJ

    Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics.



  3. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to BobJam For This Useful Post:

    Canadianeye (08-14-2017),Don29palms (08-14-2017)

  4. #143
    Senior Member
    Overall activity: 54.0%

    Oskar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    812
    Thanks
    191
    Thanked: 327
    Rep Power
    1932742
    Quote Originally Posted by BobJam View Post
    @Oskar

    Where to start . . .

    * OK . . . first, if you're talking about the "Nuremberg Defense" (AKA "Superior orders", or "Befehl ist Befehl" {literally "an order is an order"}, or "I was only following orders"), then you have it bass ackwards.

    You are correct that it was rejected. But that is the only thing you're correct about.

    The Nuremberg Defense ONLY applies to underlings, subordinates, followers, or worker bees (which in Manson's case would be Susan Atkins, Charles "Tex" Watson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Linda Kasabian, the prosecution's key witness, Patricia Krenwinkel, Mary Brunner, Sandra Good, Paul Watkins, Bobby Beausoleil, Leslie Van Houten, Catherine Share, and Steve "Clem" Grogan).

    It DOES NOT apply to the ORIGINATOR of the order. The buck stopped at Manson. Manson was the head of the "family". There was no human being higher than him about which he could have said, "I was only following orders". Manson MADE UP/GAVE the orders, thus he couldn't use the Nuremberg Defense (which would have been denied anyway).

    Manson mug shot in 1971:




    Manson in 2014, age 80.


    * You answered the question, "Do you believe then that if Charles Manson "orders" an action, that Charles Manson is just as responsible for it as the one who committed the action?" with "NO".

    In U.S. jurisprudence, there is a concept/legal phrase called "accessory before the fact". What that means is that a person who ORDERS a crime to be committed, even though that person does not actually participate in the commission of the crime, is just as guilty of committing the crime as the "principal" (the "principal" is the one whose act is the most immediate cause of the crime).

    From the U.S. Code: "Whoever aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures the commission of an offense, is punishable as a principal."

    (BTW, we're talking about Manson here . . . and while this thread is focused on Duke, you opened the door for this when you stated that Manson should not have been jailed.)

    Acting under the instructions of Manson, Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel brutally killed five people: actress Sharon Tate (who was eight months pregnant), Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, and Wojciech Frykowski, and Stephen Parent.

    On Manson's orders, six Family members . . . Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Steve "Clem" Grogan brutally killed Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. Manson joined the six, "to show them how to do it."

    Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. After Rosemary was brought briefly into the living room from the bedroom, Watson followed Manson's instructions to cover the couple's heads with pillowcases. He bound these in place with lamp cords. Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.

    Manson was convicted on seven counts of first-degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of Abigail Ann Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Steven Earl Parent, Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring and Leno and Rosemary La Bianca.
    Manson couldn't give orders. His "family" chose to do what they did.

    Even if that was not the case, you cited federal law. Manson was charged under California statutory law.
    Last edited by Oskar; 08-14-2017 at 01:18 PM.
    "When you are smart, people need you. You can use your mind creatively". - Chris Knight, Real Genius (1985)

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •