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    From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli...

    You've probably heard this song before, it's sung by the United States marine forces:

    ♪ From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli... ♫



    "The Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Mexican invasion after Texas joined the States. American forces had to march to the mexican capital to force them to surrender. "The shores of Tripoli" refers to an incident where the muslims took the crew of an american ship hostage. The marines had to walk across 600 miles of desert in Libya to rescue them. When an American negotiator asked by what right the sultan had ordered his navy to attack American ships, the sultan responded that prophet Muhammad said in the Quran that muslims have the right to kill and extract tribute from infidels.

    Hmm, where would the Sultan have gotten that idea? Let's take a look at some verses in the Quaran...

    "Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." Sura 2:193 and 8:39

    "O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. Allah does not guide an unjust people." - 5:54

    "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." - 9:5

    "Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell." - 41:14

    "Fight unbelievers who are near to you." 9:123

    Who are the "unbelievers" exactly?

    "Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the tribute and have been humbled." - 9:29

    "Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another." - 48:25

    "Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame." - 66:9

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    Mooslims are peaceful and tolerant and have nothing to do with terrorism.

    Just ask Hilliary, she'll tell ya.



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    The quotes from the Koran that you have posted are about defensive war to be fought after the holy months have passed.

    The Barbary pirates were not all Muslims.. Some were renegade Europeans. ..some were Sephardic Jews .. some were Spanish and Portuguese.. They were called Barbary because their home ports were along the Barbary coast in North Africa. Many had formerly been corsairs operating on letters of Marque granted by various kings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickity Plumber View Post
    Mooslims are peaceful and tolerant and have nothing to do with terrorism.
    It shouldn't be called terrorism, it should be called something else. "Terrorism" isn't an adequate enough description.
    Last edited by Anders Hoveland; 10-04-2016 at 01:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post
    It shouldn't be called terrorism, it should be called something else. "Terrorism" isn't an adequate enough description.
    It was piracy and kidnapping for ransom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooda View Post
    It was piracy and kidnapping for ransom.
    The "phenomena" may be multifaceted but it has a single unifying theme—it's inspired by a totalitarian religious ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post
    The "phenomena" may be multifaceted but it has a single unifying theme—it's inspired by a totalitarian religious ideology.
    The Barbary pirates were Christians, Muslims and Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooda View Post
    The Barbary pirates were Christians, Muslims and Jews.



    There were a lot of jews that took part in the slave trade though.

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