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    Muhammad ali was really great for Boxing. EVEN EYE, became interested in this sport..... He was phenomenal. But he had his faults.....big ones...just like Martin King.

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    RIP.

    Just wish the news would stop playing it over and over. We don't exactly need wall to wall 24/7 coverage of this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooda View Post
    Did you ever box? My sons did and were quite good for their weight class.. Winning against men 4 years older.

    Boxing is a sport and sport is quite different than war. Muhammed Ali won for the US in the Olympics if you recall.
    The Australian Medical Association (AMA) is calling for combat sports like boxing to be banned at the Olympic and Commonwealth Games, over concerns the sports are causing "irreversible injury"

    As an emergency doctor, AMA vice-president Steve Parnis said he had seen too many injuries caused by combat sports like MMA. "You see a range of injuries but the ones that concern us the most are the ones that affect the brain and the cervical spine," he said. "You can see irreversible injury with relatively trivial blows to a head."

    Source: Australian Medical Association calls for ban on boxing at Olympics, Commonwealth Games - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sooda View Post
    I have been to Iran many times.. but that was when the Shah was in power.


    Ali refused military service because Muslims are forbidden anything except defensive war.. He said he wouldn't travel 10,000 miles to shoot brown people who had never harmed him... while American blacks could sit at a lunch counter.. and he said that no Viet Cong had ever called him nigger.
    Therefore, your Iran experience is irrelevant. Again, I know what he said. I still say that it is convenient BS.
    It takes a FAMILY to raise a child--Not Hitlery Klinton's Socialist, Anti-Family, Nanny-State...I mean, "Village".

    Islam is a religion of violence and terror as practiced by the Islamofascists. The Muslims that do speak out against terror are then terrorized by the Islamofascists and are ignored by the Lap Dog Media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    The Australian Medical Association (AMA) is calling for combat sports like boxing to be banned at the Olympic and Commonwealth Games, over concerns the sports are causing "irreversible injury"

    As an emergency doctor, AMA vice-president Steve Parnis said he had seen too many injuries caused by combat sports like MMA. "You see a range of injuries but the ones that concern us the most are the ones that affect the brain and the cervical spine," he said. "You can see irreversible injury with relatively trivial blows to a head."

    Source: Australian Medical Association calls for ban on boxing at Olympics, Commonwealth Games - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    That would be like saying maybe we ought to get rid of professional football because of potential injuries. Ain't gonna happen, not in the US. Americans love there sports and none of them are going away.

    Boxing is evolving and giving way to MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) UFC and its popularity is off the charts. Kinda like boxing was when Ali was a champion.

    Partaking in professional sports is a decision made by an adult fully aware of the risk. Trying to protect ourselves from ourselves reeks of leftist mothering and a Nanny State mentality where the system makes decisions for people they might otherwise make for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    Ali also would never have seen combat. There was no way that the government would have put the heavy weight champion of the world into harm's way. What they would have done was use him as a recruitment tool in exactly the same way that they used Presely. Ali just decided that he was personally too important to wear a uniform and so he decided to wear a prison jumpsuit instead. His personal choice.

    I give him some credit for decided to go into prison. He at least PAID for his refusal to wear a uniform. I can respect that, but I don't for a heartbeat believe that he refused to go in because he was a conscientious objector. MY PERSONAL BELIEF.
    The U.S. Army never used Elvis Presley as a recruitment tool during his service, which was in Germany. He was part of a tank battalion if I remember it correctly. He also met his future wife, Presilla I rthink, daughter of a military officer, while serving there (she was 13 at the time). Presley received high efficiency ratings throughout his military service from officers over him.

    Interesting story about Elvis, he signed his contract, making Colonel Parker his manager, receiving 50% of all his earnings. They had to pay Parker off after his death to insure he didn't share in the profits received on Elvis materials and souvenirs. Unless he performed in Toronto (and I don't remember it, and lived 90-miles away in the Buffalo area growing up as a teenager), Elvis Presley never performed outside the United States in his career. They wanted him to give a command performance (one where the Queen attends), at Royal Albert Hall in London once, and Colonel Parker asked them how much they would pay him. The response was something like $500,000. Parker responded that was enough for him, but "what you going to pay my boy to perform?" The concert never took place.

    I agree that Ali never would have saw combat in the military, unless he personally requested it. They would have tried to use him as a morale builder like the fictional Forrest Gump. Whether Ali would have accepted that role, in view of his beliefs, questionable. NOI (Nation Of Islam), wasn't considered to be a racial organization, or threat during this time - the Black Panther Party of Bobby Seal was the Black threat that scared the government, and Islam didn't carry the same "terrorist" label it does for American's now. Whatever Ali believed, he maintained the name and religion all of his life, so who is to say? Boxing is a sport just like football, soccer, wrestling, hockey, or any other collision sport. Never knew anybody to protest it on the grounds that it was do violent. There are, however, laws that make using ones hands in a personal fight, out of the ring, a much higher penalty for a boxer, because your hands in that instance are considered a deadly weapon. Its why you see so many hanger's on around most boxers, and they are the size of NFL linemen (their job normally is two fold), keep the curious away, unless the boxer wants the attention, and the ability to physically wrap up their client with strength if it appears he is going to get into a fight.

    Whatever Muhammad Ali thought about religion is his personal business, nobody can think for him, or get into his head regarding his refusal to serve, however, he didn't run - stayed and lost his titles by a vindictive boxing association. What he thought of war, actually is pretty admirable in view of the protests that swept the nation during the Vietnam era. Nobody in the general public to my knowledge really thought we were fighting for anything valuable over there. The government totally misunderstood the fact they had plunked the U.S. military down into the middle of a civil war, not a war to prevent communist spreading throughout the SE Asian region. That misunderstanding cost 58,000 some young men and women to lose their lives, and the Black community of America shared as heavy a burden with its youngsters as the White one did. It took a long, long time for most of America to give Ali credit for his stance, and his boxing accomplishments as a sports icon.

    I wonder if Obama is going to attend the funeral? Down here in Miami, his loss is felt keenly, because this was Angelo Dundee's home town and where Ali trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    If he was a conscientious objector due to his religious beliefs, that is also crap because, there are only a small handful of outlier sects in Islam that are truly pacifist. These outliers sects are usually oppressed by the mainstream of Islam that are more than willing to go to war.
    I was aroud during that time and figured he was just like a few others who did not want to join.

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    Great speech by Billy Crystal at Ali's funeral........



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