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    The bigger issue would be food distribution.....

    Certainly, a loss of energy would be bad, and, could cause many issues.

    BUT...if we can eat, we can survive.

    No food, no clean water....means bad tidings!
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    In "One Second After" by Forstchen the story goes that after 6 months 50% were dead and after 1 year 90% were dead.

    This seems more likely to me.

    Anyone needing a prescription would be dead within about 2 months -- 3 at most. Diabetes, schizophrenia, etc.

    Anyone displace from their homes at T=0 would be as risk for a vagabond fate and death within those first 6 months. They probably would not last half that. You need to carry a weapon concealed at all time wherever you go to be ready for the onslaught.

    Anyone with food and water storage and/or access will need to fight to survive until their supplies run out. After that they will need to scavenge for protein, vitamins, carbs, etc. Bloody meat is rich in vitamins but you need to eat it rare. Mice, rats, squirrels, opossums, raccoons, dogs, coyotes, black bears, and cannibalism will be the main sources of food after the food storage runs out. A bow and arrows are great for getting small or large game. For really big game razor sharp arrowheads are also needed.

    Corn is very easy to grow in North America. So are potatoes. Both of these crops originated in the Western Hemisphere and were taken back to Europe by Christoforo Colombo and Walter Raleigh. Since potatoes grow underground they would attract less attention than corn growing in tall stalks. You'll need a shovel and hoe to plant and reap potatoes, and a bag of them in your fridge at all times to convert to seedlings if SHTF ever. A big bag of nitrate fertilizer for 2nd and 3rd plantings will be critical to ass the soil loses richness, since you probably cannot leave your base of ops for bugging-in where all your supplies are. So you will need to replant on exhausted soil.

    For water you would need to live near a riverine creek. This would also allow you to dig an old fashioned pit well and line it with big stones. The filtration process of the soil will clean most water sources unless you live close to a hazardous waste site. Surface water would need to be boiled to prevent widespread disease. Most people don't think of this and die of disease in a famine.

    Trees growing nearby would allow you to cut and age them periodically for fuel. You'll still need a fire starter. Cooking food and boiling water are the main necessity for fuel. Campfires are a waste of wood and give away your position to marauders. You'll need an ax.

    You will need to be as well armed as the marauders. A pistol, a holster from which you can quickly draw, a carbine with a sling, bino's, and lots of ammo in ammo pouches of some sort will all be needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedgin View Post
    The bigger issue would be food distribution.....

    Certainly, a loss of energy would be bad, and, could cause many issues.

    BUT...if we can eat, we can survive.

    No food, no clean water....means bad tidings!
    No energy means no public water.

    It means no food either. The infrastructure would completely break down.

    No energy means no gasoline either. Gas pumps don't work without electricity.

    Whatever gas you have in your tank and in storage would be all there is, and this you would need to carefully save and stretch out for cooking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuYawka View Post
    Here's mine:
    You can make your own beer.

    Fruit and berry wines are easier however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandhurstdelta View Post
    No energy means no public water.

    It means no food either. The infrastructure would completely break down.

    No energy means no gasoline either. Gas pumps don't work without electricity.

    Whatever gas you have in your tank and in storage would be all there is, and this you would need to carefully save and stretch out for cooking.
    What about a raid on a refinery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corruptbuddha View Post
    Not a chance.

    You REALLY want to know what will happen?

    People will do what they have always done. They will band together with neighbors and family and rebuild, take care of one another and move on. It's the human way.

    A lot of people, especially in the big cities will loot and go ape-shit...but MOST won't. Most will work together to help one another.

    As we have for EONS.
    The last SHTF was in Russia when the USSR broke down.

    They survived, and they did cooperate with each other.

    Whether that would happen like that in the USA is hard to say though.

    We have negroes and Mexican migrants and a lot of dope addicts and ghetto poor -- these anarchists could trigger complete chaos and breakdown.

    Maybe up in northern Canada it would be safe.

    But not probably down here in the USA anywhere near cities.

    The Mormons in Utah are ready for this and they would probably be ok. There are not many negroes or Mexicans in Utah -- very lucky for them.

    So whereas Canada or Utah would likely survive, as would Alaska due to its remoteness, the rest of the USA would likely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    What about a raid on a refinery?
    You can raid all you want -- eventually the juice will be gone.

    Wood is about the only reliable renewable energy source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miketx View Post
    People today, most of them anyway, don't know how to survive without modern conveniences. I think many would actually be killed or even commit suicide if that happened. If you are in even a medium sized city and you don't have water or gasoline for a while, what are you gonna do?
    Yup I agree -- lots of suicides.

    But then that would just be more fresh meat for those with the will to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandhurstdelta View Post
    The last SHTF was in Russia when the USSR broke down.

    They survived, and they did cooperate with each other.

    Whether that would happen like that in the USA is hard to say though.

    We have negroes and Mexican migrants and a lot of dope addicts -- these anarchists could trigger complete chaos and breakdown.

    Maybe up in northern Canada it would be safe.

    But not probably down here in the USA anywhere near cities.

    The Mormons in Utah are ready for this and they would probably be ok. There are not many negroes or Mexicans in Utah -- very lucky for them.

    So whereas Canada or Utah would likely survive, as would Alaska due to its remoteness, the rest of the USA would likely not.
    The Amish?
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