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    Glock 19: The best shtf handgun?



    Hard to argue with this logic.

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    I think any reliable gun that goes bang will work.
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    19s are good guns, and I like Colion Noirs page, I watch his gun videos.

    But if the SHTF, I would go with a Glock 17 ( 17 shot 9mm ) or the Glock 22.....Full size .40 with 15 rounds of 180 grain FMJ.

    If SHTF, you might as well have a full sized handgun and firepower. Less reloading and more accuracy and range with the longer barrel handguns.

    9mm is right there with .357 Magnum



    Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger +P
    Part Number Cartridge Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
    23617 9mm Luger +P 124 GDHP 20 0.134

    Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
    Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
    1220 1085 996 410 324 273

    Trajectory if sighted at 25 yards Test Barrel Length in inches Usage
    25 yards 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    0.0 -0.8 -3.3 -8.0 4 1
    Usage Key: 1 = Personal Protection | 2 = Training | 3 = Hunting




    Gold Dot Personal Protection - 357 Magnum
    Part Number Cartridge Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
    23960 357 Magnum 158 GDHP 20 0.168

    Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
    Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
    1235 1119 1036 535 440 377

    Trajectory if sighted at 25 yards Test Barrel Length in inches Usage
    25 yards 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    0.0 -0.7 -3.1 -7.4 4-V 1
    Usage Key: 1 = Personal Protection | 2 = Training | 3 = Hunting




    .40 Caliber is there with .45 ACP








    Gold Dot Personal Protection - 40 S&W
    Part Number Cartridge Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
    23962 40 S&W 180 GDHP 20 0.143

    Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
    Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
    1025 956 902 420 365 325

    Trajectory if sighted at 25 yards Test Barrel Length in inches Usage
    25 yards 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    0.0 -1.3 -5.0 -11.2 4 1
    Usage Key: 1 = Personal Protection | 2 = Training | 3 = Hunting






    Gold Dot Personal Protection - 45 Auto
    Part Number Cartridge Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
    23966 45 Auto 230 GDHP 20 0.143

    Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
    Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
    890 845 805 404 365 331

    Trajectory if sighted at 25 yards Test Barrel Length in inches Usage
    25 yards 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    0.0 -2.0 -7.1 -15.3 5 1
    Usage Key: 1 = Personal Protection | 2 = Training | 3 = Hunting



    Speer Ammo - Ballistics Tables


    With the right loads the 9mm can equal the .357 Magnum and the .40 caliber can equal the .45 ACP



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    Quote Originally Posted by miketx View Post
    I think any reliable gun that goes bang will work.

    Handgun has to function and fire accurately in all types of weather and conditions, as well as work reliable with little or no maintenance. So that narrows it to H&K or Glock, with Sig in second place.

    I am looking at Sig ( P229 - .40 ) and H&K ( USP compact - .40 ) as my next weapon purchase.

    I have a Glock 17 now, and love that pistol. Firepower and accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Hallenbeck View Post
    Handgun has to function and fire accurately in all types of weather and conditions, as well as work reliable with little or no maintenance. So that narrows it to H&K or Glock, with Sig in second place.

    Firepower and accuracy.

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    Yes, any reliable gun....

    As far as 9mm being up there with .357 power? No way. The chart you posted even says so.
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    .357 mag outperforms any semi-automatic round... with the exception of the Desert Eagle chambered for .357 mag
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoytmonger View Post
    .357 mag outperforms any semi-automatic round... with the exception of the Desert Eagle chambered for .357 mag
    I've got a lever action .357 that I've seen adds for ammo that pushes a 125gr bullet to 1900 - 2000 fps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rockford View Post


    Hard to argue with this logic.
    Anything made of plastic or partly plastic would not be a good thing for SHTF because you won't get to buy any replacement parts when your Glock breaks.

    It will be just you alone with your plastic gun. And when the gun breaks then you alone.

    You'll need to go back to spears with stone points then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miketx View Post
    I've got a lever action .357 that I've seen adds for ammo that pushes a 125gr bullet to 1900 - 2000 fps.
    The problem with these guns is that they are over powered for human applications and underpowered for hunting applications.

    So you are therefore betwixt and between.

    You would be better off with any carbine together with any 9mm, 10mm, or 11mm pistol instead. Then you would not be as betwixt.

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