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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    Romans 1:28-32 Tree of Life Version (TLV)

    28 And just as they did not see fit to recognize God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what is not fitting. 29 They became filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents. 31 They are foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree—that those who practice such things deserve death—they not only do them but also approve of others who practice the same.

    {Seems like you agree with the Bible. Ain't it interesting that this describes current people who adhere to islam and liberalism.....}
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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    I see this issue as a constant theme, in any discussion about 'Natural Law', or the basis for morality. It is the central difference, IMO, between the 'left & right'. Is there Absolute Morality, & Natural Law, or are they all relative, human constructs?

    Here are some of the problems, if you say all morality is man made & relative.
    1. There is no appeal to a 'Higher Law'. Conscience is meaningless. Only the decrees of the collective matter.
    2. All 'laws' are based only on expediency. You keep the traffic flowing, & deter murder.. neither are more important or more 'moral' than the other.
    3. If some humans are inconvenient, or a nuisance, why not rid society of them? That was the eugenics view, & is the basis for the marxist/darwinist/naturalist philosophy.
    4. There is only power. If a group or individual can attain power, by any means, they can impose their values or beliefs on everyone else. There is no higher law to appeal to.
    5. 'Due Process', Human Equality, rights to life, liberty, & property are not natural rights, but gifts granted by a ruling elite.. and only if they choose to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    It is no coincidence that in a thread about 'morality', the inevitable 'left/right', or 'progressive/conservative' division comes to the forefront. The issue of Natural Law is one of the CENTRAL distinctions between these camps. Progressives believe in relativity.. no moral absolutes.. the State has the final word on any values. If they say, 'you shall not drink a big gulp', it is etched in stone, & is the same to the leftist as murder.

    The conservative, with in innate sense of morality, imbued in him by God or Nature, or whatever you want to call it, believes in Natural Law, & the foundation of America from the basic principles of the Enlightenment: Life. Liberty. Property.

    The socialist left must destroy Natural Law, & any basis for morality, if they are to push their state centered agenda through. They MUST have elites, who are the only ones capable of managing humanity. The rest of us poor sods can only be grateful for the evolved wisdom & advanced learning from our esteemed leaders. It is not Law, it is Decree, that the left is pushing us to. Management by a privileged elite, with no constitutional chains to bind them. The very thing the founders warned of, they are driving us to with reckless abandon.
    Since @pinqy wanted to discuss 'natural law', i though it would be better to get on a thread where it was topical. I have a couple of quotes about this subject, that give a basis for the discussion.

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