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    Addicts and Addictions: Understanding the Disease

    This thread is dedicated to those who are suffering, with addiction, or know someone who is. I am not doing this to promote any recovery group in particular, but to post things to allow people to understand what the addict suffers, and those who suffer along with the addict.

    I invite people to post questions, or even post successful stories, not only to educate, but maybe inspire those who need help, and to educate those who do not understand addictions.


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    To those who are in recovery. This thread is not meant to identify you. Share stories as you wish, but do not feel compelled to share or even claim your stories.




    First, I want dis spell a common myth. Addiction is never a choice, but in fact a disease. Addiction is hereditary, (not 100%) but is in the bloodline.
    Second, the addict never fully recovers. Every day is a battle to recover. From the first day of recovery to the end of their life. They can relapse anytime.
    Last and certainly not least. This information is just for understanding the disease and the recovery process, and is not meant to excuse the actions of an addict, during their addiction(s). Part of their recovery is to take responsibility.
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    This is a poem from a recovering alcoholic. This does contain course language. View discretion is advised.


    Transcript as the audio can be really quiet.

    I'm at a party when a kid asks me, "hey you wanna drink, bro?"
    Uh, no thanks I don't drink anymore
    That's fucking lame
    Motherfucker, lame, weak
    Sometimes I gotta be boring - so I'm boring
    The parties I usually go to consist of coffee and feelings
    A few times a week, we sit in a circle and try to piece our lives together
    We don't remember them so clearly
    Besides, one time, when only weighing 130 pounds
    I killed a bottle of Jack Daniel's in thirty minutes
    The next morning I woke up in the back seat of my car naked
    And neck-deep in leaves
    I am allergic to alcohol
    Every time I drink I break out in handcuffs
    I crap on the living room carpet, and then kick down a door
    To date I put three cats on a treadmill, one dog in a cupboard
    Do not call me boring, Sir
    Once, I forgot where my house was
    I was escorted by strangers
    Carrying fifty cookies and an umbrella butt naked
    But one time I headbutted my best-friend so hard I shattered his nose
    And one time I took more pills that I can remember
    And accepted I'd be dead within the hour
    Don't you dare call me weak
    I have swallowed more pints of regret than you pump blood through your body
    Tell my father it was boring
    To look his only son in the eyes
    Tell him if he drank one more time
    You would not be welcomed is this house
    Tell my mother I am weak
    She was failed to hold back tears, driving me home from the psych ward
    She would see her son handcuffed to an emergency room bed
    She spent four years praying for my sobriety nightly
    You will not take this from her
    If you offer me a shot, there better be a trigger involved
    The strongest I have ever felt, was the first time I said no to a drink
    I have said no, every morning since September 29th, 2008
    I say no eighteen times before breakfast
    One for every step it takes to get from my bedroom to the fridge
    I say no ten times before work
    One for every billboard that tells me I was stronger when drinking
    I have said no more times than I can count
    One for every night my family lay awake trying not to imagine my headstone
    You ask me the question
    I do not hear the words you are saying
    I hear you ask me, "do you want to die Michael?"
    No. I don't want to die anymore
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    This is America. When you make an accusation, like you have, the burden of proof is on you.
    Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, all the other genders are from Uranus.

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    I have a brother in law that's been sober since the mid 90's. It took two of his brothers dying and his wife almost leaving him to wake him up. He tried to do it on his own only to be rushed to the hospital. He got saved and now still goes to AA meetings twice a week. His dad was never around and was too an alcoholic. His mom had to raise all 6 of them by herself and they lived in what you would call a shack in the bad side of town growing up.
    He was never abusive to his wife and worked but drank most of the time and hid bottles around the house. She would find him sometimes passed out in the yard. He is now clean and sober, a great dad and husband and in the Church. I always thought the world of him but he had problems and I am glad he overcame them. To look at him now, you would never think he was ever like that.

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    Alcohol is merciless in it's grip on those addicted to it. It's killed so many people. Yet to make it illegal gave us the Shitcago mafia, the machine and in a way Obama. The Chicago machine made him president. Worst president ever. A Muslim radical, a Marxist, a BLT. What a disaster he's been. I look forward to him being out of office. I'm living for the day. I hope we don't trade him for the Hildebeast. Our economy can't take another democrat. We've suffered enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    I have a brother in law that's been sober since the mid 90's. It took two of his brothers dying and his wife almost leaving him to wake him up. He tried to do it on his own only to be rushed to the hospital. He got saved and now still goes to AA meetings twice a week. His dad was never around and was too an alcoholic. His mom had to raise all 6 of them by herself and they lived in what you would call a shack in the bad side of town growing up.
    He was never abusive to his wife and worked but drank most of the time and hid bottles around the house. She would find him sometimes passed out in the yard. He is now clean and sober, a great dad and husband and in the Church. I always thought the world of him but he had problems and I am glad he overcame them. To look at him now, you would never think he was ever like that.
    I'm glad to hear he stuck with it. I know that is hard for a lot of people. It takes dedication and a lot of willpower from the addict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGV View Post
    This is America. When you make an accusation, like you have, the burden of proof is on you.
    Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, all the other genders are from Uranus.

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    Bit of background:

    I was married to a drug/alcohol addict.
    My father was a nasty drunk.
    My 3rd wife was an alcoholic.
    When I made Staff Sergeant in the Army, I was sent to a course for sergeants on how to recognize and deal with addictions.
    I was someone who smoked at least two packs of Mores for years.

    What I learned first and foremost is that you cannot ever help an addict who does not want to be helped. The addict either hits bottom and struggles to find a way back up or they seek a haven in a pine box.

    I wonder if the only reasonable way to deal with addicts is to let them live in their own little world where they will not harm others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sargentodiazda View Post

    What I learned first and foremost is that you cannot ever help an addict who does not want to be helped. The addict either hits bottom and struggles to find a way back up or they seek a haven in a pine box.

    I wonder if the only reasonable way to deal with addicts is to let them live in their own little world where they will not harm others.
    Yes, you are absolutely right, you cannot do anything to help an addict, unless they are willing to help themselves. The most anyone can do is point them in the right way. But ultimately it is their decision. And while it is said that the addiction itself is not the fault of the addict, what the addict does with the addiction is, their fault. People seem to think that because they can say no to alcohol or drugs, or whatever, that becoming an addict is their fault. Not so. No more so than a person can choose what sex they will be when they are born, or colour of skin. And as I said earlier, and seem to be backed up by the posts so far. It is totally up to the addict to recognize a problem, which they do eventually, but sometimes not until it's too late, and they die.

    As far as letting them live in their own little world, without hurting anyone... I don't think that is possible. Moms and some Dads, will always be hurt that their son, or daughter is killing themselves. Unless, of course they are in the same boat. Then they don't see a problem. But, there is always someone who is hurt by the way addicts treat themselves, and treat the someone who wants to help, is of course, affected.
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    Beware of binge drinking in teenagers.

    Anyone with a gene for addiction is very likely to start drinking in the mid-teens.

    And this is the worst possible time. There are 18 critical periods in the adolescent brain, overlapping right around age 15.

    Failure of these brain systems to wire properly can create a psychopath, a borderline, someone with serious chronic depression, the possibilities are endless.

    The same critical age when these wirings occur, is the same age when the drinking starts.

    If you think your child is a true alcoholic this may be a good enough reason for an intervention.
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    Every year we would have one or two people die in our county from alcohol overdose. The most frequent victims were teenagers.

    We live in an age of addiction. Everything can be an addiction. Sex, computer games, food, bridge, anything. That's nonsense.

    While there may be a physical factor contributing to alcohol addiction it certainly isn't absolute. One of my uncles died you. He had two sons. One never drank and the other killed himself when he was 39 and had just gotten out of detox for the thirteenth time.

    Drinking is a choice. The drunks I know who quit, quit the day they decided they had to. Not when their wife or their boss or their neighbor decided they had to but when they decided then they were done. Sometimes. a drunk has to be forced to dry out, be sober, so he can think clearly enough to make the decision.

    There are a variety of programs that can help but true sobriety comes when you no longer need the programs.

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    Eating is a choice too.

    So is breathing.

    If you have a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism, then for you alcohol is very much like eating or breathing.

    You will "crave" alcohol whether or not you're actually drinking it.

    In a true alcoholic with a genetic disposition, the drinking will often become visible early. Age 14 is not uncommon. Binge drinking may even mean one excessive episode. I know someone who drank once at age 14, and crashed through a plate-glass window and almost fell off the balcony. Then didn't drink again until age 29, and instantly became a practicing alcoholic.

    A hard Drinker who has abstained for 20 years can probably take a single drink for example a toast at a wedding or something.

    If an alcoholic does that he's Off to the Races.

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