The possible effect of third-party candidates

[pjohns]

The Biden campaign is reportedly worried shirtless (I am cleaning that up a bit) about third-party candidates, feeling that they would take more votes from Biden than from Trump--and especially in important swing states.

If they are merely worried--even a great deal--there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

But if they intend to do something illegal--or even ethically questionable--to keep a third-party candidate off the ballot in some swing states, that is another matter, entirely.

Thoughts?

[old dog]

They're waging lawfare on RFK's efforts to get on all state ballots. What do you expect? They will use every legal tool and loophole. Republicans not so much.

[dinosaur]

Democrats have plenty of cash. They can fire up their Lawfare machine anywhere and everywhere to counter the RFK Jr threat, or any No Labels threat. They also own the MSM and SM space, the NGOs, and the government bureaucracy.

IMO, RFK Jr. blew it with his VP Choice. Nobody can take that seriously. That means RFK Jr. only gets the radical left protest vote, a wee small portion of the radical left vote. If Cornel West gets on the ballot, I'm thinking that in the cities that matter ... Philly, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Madison, Mr West may be a bigger election influencer than RFK Jr.

https://www.cornelwest2024.com/petitioning_launch

IMO ... I see No Labels as essentially the Never Trump wing of the Republican Party. The Never Trump crowd didn't vote for Trump last time, so they can't touch 74M votes. Will they make a difference? Possibly, but we already know the bottom of the possible Trump vote.

We probably know the top end of the Democrat vote, especially in the 6 swing states. The only question is how much RFK Jr, or Cornel West, or No Labels pulls out of that number. And then, if we believe the news and polls, figure in how much Trump will pull out of that vote too. It's not looking good for Biden.

So what other tricks will the Democrats pull out of their hat? Their biggest trick has always been freebies. From direct handouts to debt forgiveness, expect a flurry of student loan and reparation EOs, regardless of legality or even possibility. The MSM will go into mockingbird mode to rally the troops. Republicans just authorized all the NGO monies the Democrats ever wanted, so look for the rigging and election gaming to be bigger and better this time around.

[Kodiak]

Seems most believe RFK will hurt Biden more than Trump but I am skeptical. There are millions out there that are in the center or even center/right that put Trumps personality over his policies, and will vote accordingly no matter the consequences to the country. Our own Sunnysoul is a perfect example.

We will see and I hope I'm wrong but doubt it. I just wish he would drop out but don't see it with his billionaire VP pick.

[Canadianeye]

Dan Bongino show just a bit ago. Kind of funny, because it would be considered a pretty decent sample size.

126,000 were in his chat. He was talking a bit about RFK and his recent VIP pick etc.

He did the roll call in the chat. Yes or No are any of you going to vote for RFK, no matter who he picks as VP. He put the cam on the chat. Endless Nos. Not a Yes to be seen.

Might be a decent indicator about RFK hurting Biden far more than he hurts Trump.

Nobody from the Trump side is going to vote for RFK (that seems fairly obvious). RFK people will vote for RFK which steals votes from Biden, and really doesn't include a steal of votes from the Trump team.

Abstaining is abstaining. There isn't set negative gain or positive gain to either Trump or Biden.

The only absolutely real issue about RFK, is if President Trump chooses him as his VP. The theory being of course, some people believe that will absolutely lock down the election in the win column for President Trump...if RFK accepted the nomination to be Trumps VP.

Saw something in news just recently, saying RFK was polling at 34%, and even if just half of them at 17% voted for Trump/RFK, then that is significant. Would probably put +3 to all the swing states numbers to Trumps lead in all those states.

The ultimate question I guess, is how much clout does a VP have with the show in Washington? My opinion not a lot, and especially not a lot when President Trump is driving his agendas like he did last time. He's a pretty forceful President about his directions he takes.

[DonGlock26]

2024 General Election: Trump vs Biden vs Kennedy


https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...den-vs-kennedy

Trump +5 with RFK jr. in the race.

[DonGlock26]

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/whos-vot...ert-kennedy-jr

[patrickt]

The Biden campaign is reportedly worried shirtless (I am cleaning that up a bit) about third-party candidates, feeling that they would take more votes from Biden than from Trump--and especially in important swing states.

If they are merely worried--even a great deal--there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

But if they intend to do something illegal--or even ethically questionable--to keep a third-party candidate off the ballot in some swing states, that is another matter, entirely.

Thoughts?

Cheating is in their roots. I knew in the 1940s that Democrats cheat, always.

[old dog]

Jonathon Turley's op-ed on the Democrats efforts to save democracy from democracy:

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/03/2...ty-candidates/

[Physics Hunter]

Dan Bongino show just a bit ago. Kind of funny, because it would be considered a pretty decent sample size.

126,000 were in his chat. He was talking a bit about RFK and his recent VIP pick etc.

He did the roll call in the chat. Yes or No are any of you going to vote for RFK, no matter who he picks as VP. He put the cam on the chat. Endless Nos. Not a Yes to be seen.

Might be a decent indicator about RFK hurting Biden far more than he hurts Trump.

Nobody from the Trump side is going to vote for RFK (that seems fairly obvious). RFK people will vote for RFK which steals votes from Biden, and really doesn't include a steal of votes from the Trump team.

Abstaining is abstaining. There isn't set negative gain or positive gain to either Trump or Biden.

The only absolutely real issue about RFK, is if President Trump chooses him as his VP. The theory being of course, some people believe that will absolutely lock down the election in the win column for President Trump...if RFK accepted the nomination to be Trumps VP.

Saw something in news just recently, saying RFK was polling at 34%, and even if just half of them at 17% voted for Trump/RFK, then that is significant. Would probably put +3 to all the swing states numbers to Trumps lead in all those states.

The ultimate question I guess, is how much clout does a VP have with the show in Washington? My opinion not a lot, and especially not a lot when President Trump is driving his agendas like he did last time. He's a pretty forceful President about his directions he takes.

When the Prez Candidate is 80yo, the VP matters A LOT!