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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    The problem is not science, nor ever has been. The problem is psuedo-scientISTS, who hijack the pursuit of Truth for their personal beliefs and biases.
    Politics in science. That's the problem. And chasing grant money.

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    Newspeak, fuzzy definitions, moving goalposts, outrage, ad hominem, projection, and deception are the primary tactics of the pseudoscience elites.

    They cannot prove their theories with credible scientific methodology, so they mandate belief through censure, censorship, and bullying. Bobbleheaded indoctrinees nod in homogeneity, abandoning reason AND science, to be led like lambs to the slaughter. Professing to be wise, they become fools.

    These are the tactics and hallmarks of the pseudoscience elites, and their enablers. Real Science is as foreign to them as reason. They have distorted Real scientific methodology into a religious bully pulpit.

    'Science!' ..the new religion of progressive indoctrinees.
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    There is a double meaning, with the 'anti-science!' label.

    The pseudoscience elites use it to demean anyone who leaves the State Approved Reservation. Those who disagree with these elites are 'anti-science!', or 'haters!' .. it is a projected pejorative, with no rational basis as a descriptor.

    I have used it in this thread as an actual descriptor, to describe the practice and attitude of elitism, and 'science by decree,' that has become so mainstream. It is the pseudoscience elite, their enablers (and devotees), who actually PRACTICE 'anti-science' tactics and methods.

    But, as is typical with most agenda driven ideologues, they attempt to deflect the reality of their own fallacies, by projecting it on their ideological enemies. In this case, Real Scientific Methodology, is the enemy of the 'Science by decree!' crowd. Those who follow sound scientific methodology, and are not bullied by the True Believers in pseudoscience elitism, are berated, mocked, and vilified as 'haters!', and 'science attackers!'

    It only fools the gullible, simple minded, and indoctrinees of the State Mandated Decrees. Skeptical, disciplined, scientific minded people are not bluffed by these fake science decrees and mandated religious beliefs.
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    I keep reminding myself that the people who think the climate has never changed before, that there is an infinite number of genders and sexes, babies are not living humans until they say they are, and mosquitoes are good and DDT is bad are the supporters of modern day science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    Newspeak, fuzzy definitions, moving goalposts, outrage, ad hominem, projection, and deception are the primary tactics of the pseudoscience elites.

    They cannot prove their theories with credible scientific methodology, so they mandate belief through censure, censorship, and bullying. Bobbleheaded indoctrinees nod in homogeneity, abandoning reason AND science, to be led like lambs to the slaughter. Professing to be wise, they become fools.

    These are the tactics and hallmarks of the pseudoscience elites, and their enablers. Real Science is as foreign to them as reason. They have distorted Real scientific methodology into a religious bully pulpit.

    'Science!' ..the new religion of progressive indoctrinees.
    Almost every theory as it has come along was laughed out of the debate hall at the time of origination. There's an accepted order, and anyone rocking that boat is to be ridiculed. I think the sun is getting warmer, observations of Mars shows it's getting warmer, if two planets are getting warmer to me it indicates a source for both and a reason for further investigation in that area, and not a reason for NASA asswipes to exclaim that "russian scientists are bisaed, therefore to be disregarded".

    As far as I'm concerned it's American scientists who are biased to thier own supposed superiority, I'm also sure theres a good amount of "payback" todays scientists dole out with a smirk whenever sticking it to the church or church goers because of the whole Gailleo debacle. Scientists consider themselves correct, have established science as a religion, and are just as ready to burn heritics at the stake except they'll do it with a magnifying glass that'll capture the rays of the sun and cook that climate denier good AND in a "carbon nuetral" way.

    I probably would have been a chemist/astronomer, somewere in that range of things as those were my favorites before I discovered drugs and alcohol, but I'm sure I would have had a degree in something and regardless I've still followed along and can generally converse along the topic line, as in quantum theory and the idea all the higher dimensions are on microscopic levels, I surmise that's because all we can do is look at smaller and smaller pieces of the 3rd dimensionsional box we're kind of "trapped" in.

    I also dont like the almost religious athiesm of scientists, they know they're correct and they smirkily marvel at people who still believe in a higher power, they'll CLAIM there's plenty of "scientists of faith", but they're more closeted than gays were in normal society not just a generation ago.

    Let any theory go forward with an added "God" angle and that will be that on that, complete randomness works better as a theory than "God" (how laughable) snark snark.

    It's an overall arch that's led me to me disdain for scientists, I'd say CERN and their 1/1000 chance of opening a black hole and they do it anyway pisses me off along the highest of those lines, it reminds me of edward teller talking about the H-Bomb, the fact they really didn't need to take it up a notch, they could have kept the status quo where it was and the Hbomb may have never came to be, not in the way we knew the cold war but he said the knowledge demanded they go forward, and so go forward they did.

    I think there's some knowledge man is not meant to know, but either way I get about tired of the term "settled science" whenever something threatens thier established order, that pisses me off too because it's an attempt by them to place themselves in a position of final authority on the subject when I dont think they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I keep reminding myself that the people who think the climate has never changed before, that there is an infinite number of genders and sexes, babies are not living humans until they say they are, and mosquitoes are good and DDT is bad are the supporters of modern day science.
    IMO...people derive a lucrative living/get their face "out there", from pushing what's obviously hard to believe. From Al Gore...to Greta Thunberg.....................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On and on it goes...............
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    males cannot become females nor vise-versa...the male of the species determines the sex, DNA determines the sex, and NOBODY has EVER changed their sex nor DNA.

    why? because of settled SCIENCE/biology...only SCIENCE DENIERS spout the nonsense that people can "switch" their sex...

    progs get dumber by the minute...
    "The nose, knows"

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    The root of modern anti-science stems from a departure from Newtonian scientific methodology:

    hypothesize -- test -- observe -- repeat -- conclude..

    ..to a statistical methodology that depends on plausibility and probability. No actual testing is done.. no experiments.. no lab coats.. no data.. just spin and number juggling, with the conclusion already presupposed. When you hear words like 'Quantum!', 'black holes', 'cosmic inflation', and other code words of pseudo science, (that is just statistical speculation), you know you're being sold the Brooklyn Bridge.

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. ~Benjamin Disraeli

    'Possibility!' morphs into 'settled science!', when there are NO FACTS, NO DATA, and no repeatable, observable tests to be made. It is all based on conjecture, smoke and mirrors, and suggestion. It is not science, at all, but a pseudoscience religion, positing fantastic imaginations, and spinning them with techno babble & obfuscating terms, to dazzle the uninformed.

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    Woodrow Wilson was one of the leading figures in the progressive movement, early last century.

    The influence from Darwin and the theory of universal common descent cannot be missed, and it was a major factor in his worldview.

    "..government is not a machine, but a living thing. It falls, not under the theory of the universe, but under the theory of organic life. It is accountable to Darwin, not to Newton." Woodrow Wilson.

    'Living political constitutions must be Darwinian in structure and in practice. Society is a living organism and must obey the laws of life, not of mechanics; it must develop. All the progressives ask or desire is permission—in an era when “development:... “evolution,” is the scientific word—to interpret the Constitution according to the Darwinian principle…' Woodrow Wilson

    Thus the influence of statistical plausibility, rather than hard scientific methodology, became mainstream, and replaced the Newtonian, logic based science.

    Of course, all technological advances, discoveries, and breakthroughs where 'science' brought positives for humanity were based on the Newtonian school of testing and observation. The Darwinian, statistical school only has theories, with no practical application, except to attack the fundamental values from the Enlightenment, and usher in a Brave New World of collectivism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post
    males cannot become females nor vise-versa...the male of the species determines the sex, DNA determines the sex, and NOBODY has EVER changed their sex nor DNA.

    why? because of settled SCIENCE/biology...only SCIENCE DENIERS spout the nonsense that people can "switch" their sex...
    progs get dumber by the minute...
    Gender identity is also a big one, now, along with guns. They changed the culture from 'man + woman = marriage,' in just a short time.. during Obama's reign we saw that unfold in real time. Both Hillary and Obama changed their tune, to adapt to the new morality of the day..

    It is a juggernaut of cultural change, brought on by the progressive religion, with their roots in Marxist and Darwinist principles, and promoted exclusively by the left wing propaganda machine. It is accelerating, and I do not believe that Trump, or a dwindling, dying breed of traditional Americans, can stop it.

    In my lifetime i have witnessed this cultural transformation in many areas:

    1. Drugs are cool. Tune in, turn on, and drop out.
    2. Free love. AKA, sexual immorality. Inconsequential sex, for fun, with no repercussions. To enable that, we need:
    3. Abortion on demand. Kill the baby, so you can live the dream of inconsequential sex.
    4. Normalize homosexuality. Like many other values in America, this went from being despised, aberrant behavior to hip and trendy.
    5. Militant greenies. 'Save Mother Earth from the evil capitalists!' ..and to do that:
    6. Socialism is cool! A Marxist, collectivist utopia would solve everything!
    7. Choose your species/gender/identity.. Biological and genetic facts are irrelevant to the wishes and desires of the imagination.
    8. Guns are evil! They cause crime, and should be banned, so only the Benevolent State has them!

    Before I was born, the anti Creator movement was already underway. I was indoctrinated into atheistic naturalism, which is at the core of progressivism. It was the amoral basis of atheistic naturalism that opened the pandora's box for all the other 'transformation!' changes.

    The timeline is easy to follow. One by one, traditional American values topple, like confederate statues, before the transforming juggernaut of progressive ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    Gender identity is also a big one, now, along with guns. They changed the culture from 'man + woman = marriage,' in just a short time.. during Obama's reign we saw that unfold in real time. Both Hillary and Obama changed their tune, to adapt to the new morality of the day..

    It is a juggernaut of cultural change, brought on by the progressive religion, with their roots in Marxist and Darwinist principles, and promoted exclusively by the left wing propaganda machine. It is accelerating, and I do not believe that Trump, or a dwindling, dying breed of traditional Americans, can stop it.

    In my lifetime i have witnessed this cultural transformation in many areas:

    1. Drugs are cool. Tune in, turn on, and drop out.
    2. Free love. AKA, sexual immorality. Inconsequential sex, for fun, with no repercussions. To enable that, we need:
    3. Abortion on demand. Kill the baby, so you can live the dream of inconsequential sex.
    4. Normalize homosexuality. Like many other values in America, this went from being despised, aberrant behavior to hip and trendy.
    5. Militant greenies. 'Save Mother Earth from the evil capitalists!' ..and to do that:
    6. Socialism is cool! A Marxist, collectivist utopia would solve everything!
    7. Choose your species/gender/identity.. Biological and genetic facts are irrelevant to the wishes and desires of the imagination.
    8. Guns are evil! They cause crime, and should be banned, so only the Benevolent State has them!

    Before I was born, the anti Creator movement was already underway. I was indoctrinated into atheistic naturalism, which is at the core of progressivism. It was the amoral basis of atheistic naturalism that opened the pandora's box for all the other 'transformation!' changes.

    The timeline is easy to follow. One by one, traditional American values topple, like confederate statues, before the transforming juggernaut of progressive ideology.
    I agree with you. To my mind...the ONLY hope is that 2020 will see GOP supermajorities in both Houses...many more conservative federal court judges...another conservative justice. Is America asleep??? Too stoned? Too busy with the wigged out fornication of the moment? We're in deep doodoo............
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