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    Quote Originally Posted by S-N-A-F-U View Post
    God gave man his written word, the Bible as the final authority on all things concerning his requirements for us, not Wikipedia!

    "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." ~ 2 Tim. 3:16-17
    Scripture inspired by your imaginary friend is just more man written tripe. The people inspired to write crap in Wikipedia have no more or less claim to being the Final Authority ​than the man who wrote the scripture you just quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    Scripture inspired by your imaginary friend is just more man written tripe. The people inspired to write crap in Wikipedia have no more or less claim to being the Final Authority ​than the man who wrote the scripture you just quoted.

    Sez you, my sinful and flawed friend.
    Why waste your time and mine, I've already gone over this in detail.

    However,

    If you want to kick a Tiger in the arse, you'd better have a plan for dealing with his teeth. . .<wink>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    Those two statements are mutually exclusive...
    Of course they are not.

    (Just because the "Apostles' Creed" also accepts trinitarianism does not indicate that this is where it originated.)

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    Last call for anyone to answer the OP question Did I miss any attempted answers other than, (in paraphrase), "God does what he pleases", "Ours is not to question why", or "If you can't understand what the bible says, I can't help you"?

    What I was looking for is a REASON God is somehow forced (?) to pronounce judgement upon created creatures who disobey his commands, when it takes FAITH for them to even believe there is a creator and he has given them commandments in the first place? What is there within the NATURE of God (which the bible says is entirely self- GIVING) that supposedly conceived or at least allowed this whole sin and death scenario to occur when, at the very least, he didn't HAVE to, which would have led to 100% less sin, suffering, and death than there has been since it was put in motion?
    "If you think they hate Trump now, wait till his policies start working." (Dennis Miller)

    "Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society." ​(Aristotle)


    "For the Lord will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God..." 1Thess.4:16

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharetheHedge View Post
    First of all, you are exercising FAITH to believe that the stone was rolled away in the first place - faith that the story was true at all.
    Only the sort of "FAITH" (caps in original) that is rooted in rationality.

    Anyone who has--or, at least, has access--to a Greek New Testament, replete with its footnotes, would know that these verses are not in question. (Some are--such as, for instance, the so-called "Long Conclusion" to Mark--which is Mark 16:9-20. But no one, to my knowledge, questions these verses' authenticity.)

    And there are some papyrus fragments--such as those from the Chester Beatty collection--that are even older than the uncial manuscripts that are relevant here.

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    Secondly, it is the antithesis of rationality to believe that a genuine supernatural event occurred, as long as there is a naturalistic explanation for an event or circumstance. A human "conspiracy" plot, which is a type of event which can and DOES happen at times, is harder for you to believe than a genuine MIRACLE?
    Yes, a conspiracy is, indeed, harder for me to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Only the sort of "FAITH" (caps in original) that is rooted in rationality.
    There is no such thing.

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